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"body": "I have added parameters to the Makefile, which are then used to configure the network everywhere. But it doesn't quite work yet. COMSAT initialization crashes."
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"body": "Adding a `UBIDV 120` to the KS10 UNIBUS page in ITS ensures that the interrupt is handled. Probably by the UBI: device which may not be that useful.\r\n\r\nMay need a `UBINT 120, JSR DEBRK` to get control over the interrupt."
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"body": "It would be cool if a LispM hacker could test this. @ams?"
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