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"body": "It would certainly be good to check this with Alan or Ken, but they don't seem to have much spare time.\r\n\r\nI have also tried to contact John Wilson, but no success."
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"body": "Dave Conroy has written tools using raw sockets to send and receive Chaosnet packets encapsulated in IP packets with protocol type 16. I believe that's a fourth variant?"
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"body": "Ah, yes! Have you found the code? Or the spec?"
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"body": "No, but he has stated he intends to release the code at some points."
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"body": "Yes. This would be pretty cool to have! "
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"body": "The encapsulation spec is probably simple, and would make it easy to incorporate in the CH11 device (although you would need root to run it). "
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"body": "On Sun, 5 Feb 2017, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:\n\n>\n>I disassembled AI: SYS1; TS DATE and SV: SYS1; TS DATE. The symbol tables\n>are almost identical, so I would think @Pul-Ess's HACK; DATE 2 would be\n>quite close to the original source.\n\nHACK;DATE is disassembled from TS DATE, with a small y2k fix, IIRC.\n\n \t/Paul\n"
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"body": "Great, thanks!"
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"body": "I made a new tape with itstar, and extracted it with DUMP. The reference date was fine."
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"body": "Do you mean files that we've loaded onto the DB system from the build?"
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"body": "Yes, use :LF to look at INFO; for example."
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"body": "The comment in my version of the patch (see http://up.update.uu.se/PATCH%3bDIRDEV%20COMPAR) says it allows for a four-digit year."
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"body": "Oh, I see. Thanks. "
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"body": "SYS3; TS APLCLK was built from missing file AI: MUSIC1; VTCLK 61. #490"
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"body": "Maybe from TOPS-20 EMACS: <EMACS>VIEW.TECO."
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"body": "RWG: \r\n![](http://www.pi314.net/mathematiciens/schrogosper/gosper.JPG)"
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"body": "The name dragon can send out birthday greetings to people in the INQUIR database. Would it be fun or creepy to update the database and send out some belated messages on April 1st?"
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"body": "I can now mount an MLDEV filesystem in Linux using FUSE, and list the directories in the MFD."
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"body": "Very cool! Next stop: list the files in directories? "
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"body": "Yes, that should be the next step. Along with passing on file metadata. Then reading files."
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"body": "There may have been a port of dunnet.el to Maclisp, by @k-stailey: \r\nhttp://its.svensson.org/KES%3bDUNNET%201"
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"body": "Ah, it's just the initial file from #9. @eswenson1, I suppose you would know why it looks like that? Will PTMG complain if the file is empty?"
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"body": "I emptied LOGOUT TIMES. Puff seemed content. Looked at the source; it checks that the file size is a multiple of five."
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"body": "I put one entry for ALAN in the initial version because an empty file didn't work for me."
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"body": "Thanks. Let's see if this can be fixed in Puff (or whatever complains)."
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"body": "It now works decently for navigating a file system and reading text files. It's fast too, once I figured out how to force immediate output to a TCP socket."
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"body": "The stakes are getting high. Now there's beverage involved!\r\n\r\n> I will buy many beers if anyone can find me the original version. It was much different! Maybe better. Instead of finding yourself in a Vax/UNIX, you were inside a Dec-20 running Twenex. It used the COMND library, which simulated the COMND JRST. I wrote the elisp version trying to remember the \"sort\" of stuff I did with the original version, but even I would be surprised by what was actually in there..."
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"body": "Looks like its this the one on here: \r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/decuslib10-07/"
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"body": "The Lispm file server address is hardcoded to 3060, CADR-27. .SEE LMHADR"
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"body": "I think this is for connecting to a TOPS-20 file server trough Chaosnet.\r\n\r\nI also think the host is selected with the file name device, so e.g. XX: would go to MIT-XX. After the two-character host name comes an optional remote device name which defaults to PS."
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"body": "From MC: BAWDEN; AR8 EXPORT and AR9 EXPORT:\r\n\r\n- 1986 - v1569-1587\r\n- 1987 - v1591-1616\r\n- 1988 - v1618-1631"
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"body": "According to reliable sources, the Stacken KA10 probably never ran ITS. There was a KS10 ITS, though."
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"body": "Does this work? "
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"body": "I'm not sure. It could be a work in progress. I see code for writing out the symbol table, but nothing for disassembling instructions.\r\n\r\nI could ask GREN. EDIT: Let's just try it first."
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"body": "@BobKerns, can you shed any light on this?"
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"body": "Right, it mostly just writes the symbol table in MIDAS source syntax."
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"body": "Added support for writing files. Still only text files, though."
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"body": "I think I know what the problem is.\r\n\r\nThe binary file SYSBIN; HOSTS3 BIN contains the host table with the old IP number. It should be regenerated by calling H3MAKE from build.tcl, but from what I can see, it isn't.\r\n\r\nI tried to run H3MAKE myself, but it doesn't seem to work. Maybe it thinks the binary is newer than the source or something.\r\n\r\nI have now solved it by running SYSHST; HOSTS3 BIN instead. I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do, though."
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"body": "Note that \"long filenames\" can be used, e.g. using EMACS you could open the file XXSRC: SYS.SYSTEM; HOSTS MID to access the file SRC:<SYS.SYSTEM>HOSTS.MID from XX."
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"body": "I removed the binary host table from SYSBIN; it's now built from scratch.\r\n\r\n@b4 Can you see if this solves #402?"
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"body": "Looks like this failed. Fix?"
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"body": "Yes, apparently some problem with the SIMH build. I'll look into it and request a review when it's done."
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"body": "I think the solution of building the binary host table the way you're doing it is fine. I suspect the way I was building it the right way of doing it once the system is up and running and the host table is in use. But for bootstrapping the system from zero, I think the way you're doing it is better. The H3MAKE program performs the same process as you are now doing, but probably does have a version check, causing it to do nothing if the host table is not of greater version."
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"body": "MC?\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On Feb 13, 2017, at 22:49, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> Unknown KL at Tech Square:\n> \n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you commented.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "It's here: \r\nhttps://github.com/PDP-10/sri-nic/tree/master/files/src/loc/webster"
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"body": "My mistake, it's probably not Tech Square at all."
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"body": "Yeah, it doesn't look like the 9th floor at tech square. Besides MC, did MIT have any other KLs?"
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"body": "Noel Chiappa is my go-to guy for these kind of questions, and he saw right away that it wasn't MC. And he said there were no other DEC-10 KLs at the 9th floor, only DEC-20s."
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"body": "Brad Parker found a copy somewhere at MIT! I don't know how or where."
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"body": "@b4 Whenever you are ready, of course. You should just have to edit the top of the Makefile to change the networking configuration."
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"body": "So that’s why he asked me to re-activate his account — to access our ToTS archive.\n\n\t\tPeace\n\t\t\t—Devon\n\nP.S. I’m missing some essential part of this conversation - what is it exactly that Brad found?\n\n> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:57 PM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> Brad Parker found a copy somewhere at MIT! I don't know how or where.\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/146#issuecomment-279924201>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AB2yQnfCJIZSAUqKt433DXW-etwW_iswks5rcpPOgaJpZM4LEQch>.\n> \n\n"
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"body": "Got it to work by combining AI: C; and MC: C; just like \"Loki\" said. I had to remove the DIR.LIST file though, because it overwrote some files with GFR links.\r\n\r\nTank you, @mattwyrm!"
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"body": "Testing can be done like this. First create a file called `TEST C` with e.g.\r\n\r\n #include <c/stdio.h>\r\n int main ()\r\n {\r\n puts (\"hello\\n\");\r\n return 0;\r\n }\r\n\r\nCompile it with `:c;cc -c test`. Assemble the output with `:midas test midas`.\r\n\r\nTo link it, create another file called `C STINKR` with\r\n\r\n X C/LIB\r\n L TEST\r\n O TS.TEST\r\n\r\nand run `:stinkr c` to get a `ts test`."
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"body": "Oh, and it doesn't work in SIMH!"
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"body": "There are a few files that I think are part of the C library. I don't know if it's a complete set.\r\n- C; C10JOB C\r\n- C; C10STD C\r\n- KCC; HUBMIO 1\r\n- KCC; HUMBLE 37\r\n- KCC; READ 1041\r\n- KCC; URT 1018\r\n\r\nBut I haven't seen anything at all for the compiler itself. But there are complete sources for a few TOPS-20 versions."
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"body": "It seems we are missing source for C; C10SAV and both source and binary for C10BYT, C10CHS, C10EVL, C10FNM, C10IO, C10MIO, C10SRY. The only trace are links to backup tapes."
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"body": "The client is already coded to accept any byte size from 1 to 36 in image mode. But it packs bytes ILDB-style locally, so it can't write full 36-bit bytes to a local file if the remote byte size is 8."
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"body": "*comsat$j!\r\n*$l .mail.;comsat bin\r\n*bughst/'NEW$: .IOT U4,3131 1203001144\r\ndomgat/ 0 1203001005\r\ntcpgat/ 0 1203001005\r\ndebug/ -1 0\r\nxvers/ -1 0\r\npurify$g\r\n:PDUMP DSK:.MAIL.;COMSAT LAUNCH\r\n*:kill\r\n*:job comsat\r\n!\r\n*:load .mail.;comsat launch\r\n\r\nit did not crash!\r\n\r\nHowever...what format is the IP address? That doesn't seem to be octal as that's most definitely not 10.12.2.100 ;)\r\n\r\n"
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"body": "I'm changing the name to NUDIR. It's supposed to be a double entendre."
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"body": "Great! Yes, 1203001144 is octal for 10.12.2.100.\r\n\r\nQuick check in Emacs: (+ (ash 10 24) (ash 12 16) (ash 2 8) 100) gives the answer 168559204 (#o1203001144, #xa0c0265)"
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"body": "I'm hovering my mouse pointer over the \"Close issue\" button..."
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"body": "Proceed.\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\n> On Feb 16, 2017, at 22:02, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> I'm hovering my mouse pointer over the \"Close\" button...\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "@jaoswald wrote about Chaosnet-over-Ethernet as used with Symbolics Lisp machines: \r\nhttp://jaoswald.blogspot.se/p/chaosnet-information.html"
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"body": "Test cases to be filled in:\r\n\r\n- ITS client to Unix server\r\n - Get a text file\r\n - Put a text file\r\n- Unix client to ITS server\r\n - Get a text file\r\n - Put a text file\r\n- ITS client to ITS server\r\n - Get a file\r\n - Text\r\n - Binary\r\n - Put a file\r\n - Text\r\n - Binary\r\n\r\nBinary transfers between ITS and Unix are not expected to work. For now."
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"body": "Yes, that's what my bridge program (between chaos-over-udp and the Symbolics 3600) used. It's perfectly straight-forward."
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"body": "@bictorv Should we add BV to MLDEV/SLV in this repository, or should it be private?"
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"body": "Making progress on using Chaosnet:\r\n- [x] Update KLH10\r\n- [x] Add ATSIGN CHAOS\r\n- [x] Update SYSTEM; CONFIG >\r\n- [x] Add DB to MLDEV\r\n- [ ] Add other hosts to MLDEV\r\n- [ ] Update ATSIGN DEVICE\r\n- [ ] Update FTPS\r\n- [ ] More?"
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"body": "You can leave BV out, I haven't run it for ages."
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"body": "Sorry, I meant to write UP!"
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"body": "Oh, please add UP! It would be fun to have a large(r) Chaosnet!"
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"body": "It could be that KSHACK was the offial home for KSDEFS, but I think KS ITS has moved from the hack stage and deserves its place in SYSTEM."
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"body": "Again, not BV, but UP. :-)"
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"body": "This only applies to TCP/IP. Of course, there's also Chaosnet FTP."
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"body": "Note, this isn't ready for merging yet. It's just available for review and comments."
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"body": "Maybe even TOPS-20 could be updated with Chaosnet support: \r\nhttps://github.com/PDP-10/FOONEX/search?q=chaos"
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"body": "Consider Twenex machines: XX, OZ, EE, SPEECH, ...\r\n\r\n- SYSENG; @DEV >\r\n- SYSEN2; CFTP >\r\n- SYSEN2; NAME >"
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"body": "SYSEN2; CFTP >, symbol SavDev.\r\n\r\nSYSEN2; NAME >, symbol hsits.\r\n\r\nSYSEN2; INSTAL >, symbol ITS."
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"body": "Sure, include mine."
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"body": "Found this message by @philbudne: \r\nhttps://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.sys.pdp10/h-wwKN7MdfE/CvYmnYnqXrkJ\r\n\r\n> Alan Snyder's C compiler (born on ITS?)\r\n>\r\n> I used it on TOPS-20, and it was called C20. Output MIDAS which were assembled into STK files, used it's own linker (STINKR) written in C.\r\n>\r\n> supported v6-era C syntax? -- used =+ instead of +=?\r\n>\r\n> I seem to have (some?) of the sources and binaries on old tape images, but the files are on a machine that's off at the moment..."
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"body": "No, it's not tested yet. Actually, we can hold off merging this until we see that it works."
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"body": "I believe the source code has been found. I hope it can be released into the wild."
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"body": "This raises the question of how to number tapes. With a physical machine and real magnetic tape reels, I suppose there would be numbered tape archive. If someone is serious about maintaining their ITS, they should probably also number their tape images.\r\n\r\nWhen a dump is made, the tape number is recorded in SYSENG; MACRO TAPES. It's a binary file, and I don't know the format. Or which other programs can read or write it."
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"body": "Contemplating joining to be a way to test handling of very long domains (how many words is a 29-character domain entry? ;) )"
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"body": "I see there was an ITS called CRETACEOUS-PARK, that's almost as bad. Anyway, an ITS name should be shortened to two characters. That ought to be enough for everyone."
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