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"body": "Richard just said he solved the problem. Maybe I should wait?"
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"body": "If you have the patience. :-)"
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"body": "Patience? What's that? :-)"
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"body": "I'll wait to see if Richard can fix the issue with tape writing before moving forward with this one. He's suggested he'll test the fix tonight."
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"body": "Pushed a fix for duplicate rwk source directory. Waiting, now, to see if Travis will be able to build the SIMS version."
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"body": "I've managed to build macsyma and the resulting executable runs. I'll create a PR soon."
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"body": "I don't think you, @larsbrinkhoff, have approved this PR yet. So I won't merge just yet. It does build now on all three simulators."
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"body": "That's because I had a comment on Makefile. That's fixed now, so I'll merge."
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"body": "Fixed in #712"
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"body": "Looks like you need to rebase this on origin/master, and fix conflicts."
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"body": "I had already done one rebase of origin/master. I just did another and then a \"push -f\" and now things look better. I didn't have to fix any conflicts (as far as I know -- despite the PR's saying I had to before my second rebase origin/master). "
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"body": "There are some things that can trip you up:\r\n\r\n- rebasing on master, when master isn't up to date with origin/master.\r\n- rebasing on origin/master, but forgetting to first fetch from origin.\r\n\r\nTo get it right, you may have to\r\n\r\n git fetch\r\n git checkout master\r\n git merge --ff-only origin/master\r\n git checkout feature/branch\r\n git rebase master\r\n\r\nAfter this, master is up to date with origin/master, and feature/branch is rebased on top of master."
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"body": "And don't forget, no matter how bad the pull request is messed up, you can always go back to fix it and force push."
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"body": "I found a problem in this pull request:\r\nhttps://travis-ci.org/PDP-10/its/jobs/351178190#L6325\r\n\r\nThe file RLB%; FASDMP 124 was added, but rlb% was not added to the Makefile. So it's not copied to the sources tape, and building it fails. But the script doesn't take notice of this.\r\n\r\nThis is fixed in the follow up pull request.\r\n"
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"body": "Suggested next screencast: Hello world MIDAS and some DDT debugging."
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"body": "Yeah, I noticed that when I built the branch locally. I didn’t know how to stop the running Travis build, so just pushed a fix to the Makefile. A new Travis build was queued, but the original one had to complete (and fail) first."
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"body": "Thanks. I definitely didn’t use —ff-only. And I didn’t merge Master into my branch. I rebased my branch with origin/Master. I’m pretty sure I did the fetch first because I did get all the recent changes into my branch before pushing."
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"body": "Maybe add a comment why build_macsyma_portion is called so many times in a row?"
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"body": "I intended to write a descriptive comment before those to explain it. Thanks for the reminder. I'll add something when I debug/fix/commit/push a fix for the arithmetic overflow."
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"body": "I couldn't follow the algorithm used in to compute the DOW. I see different algorithms on the 'net. Perhaps we should just rewrite this function to use a known-good algorithm that works correctly for both dates in the past and current dates."
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"body": "Well, it passed on SIMH and failed on KLH10. I have no idea why it failed on KLH10 (it works fine on my machine). It got a timeout, but I don't see how it could have -- unless complr just hung. It is supposed to begin compiling items on the TODO list until either a) it gets a breakpoint or b) it is done. Nothing happened -- no output at all until expect timed out. \r\n\r\nIs there any way, without making a change to have Travis \"try again\"? "
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"body": "Yes. You can cancel and restart builds. Well, I can; I don't know about others.\r\n\r\nClick on the status symbol (cross, dot, check mark), or \"Details\". You will see a page from Travis. Near the upper right is \"Restart build\" (or \"Cancel build\" if it's running)."
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"body": "The default timeout is 100 seconds. Maybe it actually took longer than that?"
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"body": "But I think it responds with some output almost immediately. I compared the output of the KLH10 build with the output of the SIMH build, and I saw the expected output in the SIMH build. Also, this works perfectly fine on my machine with the KLH10 build. With the Travis build, it acts like KLH10 hung (or the compiler did)."
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"body": "Oh for goodness sakes! Now the build failed because it went longer than 50 minutes on SIMS. It passed on the other two platforms. How do you increase the time limit for a Travis build?\r\n\r\nFrom the Travis doc, it looks like using travis-ci.org, the limit for builds is 50 minutes. As we add more stuff, it is only going to get worse. And while SIMH and KLH10 take 30 and 45 minutes now, they, too, will eventually exceed 50 minutes. \r\n\r\nIt seems the SIMS build is (currently) at least 5 minutes slower than KLH10 and KLH10 is about 15 minutes slower than SIMH. @larsbrinkhoff What do you recommend we do now?"
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"body": "I suppose we'll have to disable building for the KA10 simulator for now. @rcornwell, any ideas?"
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"body": "We could also try to speed up the build.\r\n\r\n- For the KA10, a large chunk is in reading and writing magtape.\r\n- For all machines, a large chunk is waiting for console input."
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"body": "Should this list be synced with https://github.com/PDP-10/its/blob/master/doc/machines.md ?"
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"body": "Yes. Also #181 should be synced with that file."
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"body": "Pushed a commit to this branch to disable building with \"sims\"."
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"body": "Would it make sense to split up the build, and reuse a previous build artifact?"
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"body": "No. I’m pretty sure I did a “fit commit —amend” though."
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"body": "I like the idea of splitting the build. When I test out new changes, I do that myself — with a second expect script with all the Macsyma changes, for example, that boots an emulator build with our original Makefile and expect script and then applies the new changes. I’m not sure, however, how we’d organize the Travis config though such that the right build would get executed. Any ideas, Lars?"
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"body": "Lars, do you mind doing the Git magic to combine my two commits? I’m not at a computer for a while, and don’t think I can do that from my phone."
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"body": "Sure, I quite like git magic. :-) Pushed updated commits."
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"body": "I assume you just did a \"git rebase --interactive\" and picked the two commits? (I know I've done this once before, but where I work, we've never cared about having single commits to represent fixes before, so we don't do this merging of commits ever). "
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"body": "`git rebase -i master`, yes. Then changed the second commit to \"fixup\" the first."
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"body": "@larsbrinkhoff Thanks for fixing that."
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"body": "No problem!"
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"body": "I was thinking that some big applications could be split off: Emacs (maybe add TECO to this), Maclisp, Macsyma.\r\n\r\nIn Travis it's not quite natural to use build artifacts from one repo in another repo. But I suppose they could be wgetted.. wgotten... downloaded from somewhere."
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"body": "Approved and build passed. @eswenson1, I'll let you do the honours."
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"body": "Looks like this is for MACDMP format."
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"body": "Also check if ITS will read a DECtape in MACDMP format, so e.g. `:listf ut1:` works."
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"body": "If I NOP out the call and the following JRST, it seems to work.\r\n\r\nMy emulated IMP sends an ICMP echo request to ITS, and gets a response back, so basic IP networking works.\r\n\r\nI have started interfacing with a TUN device. I should use the SIMH built in Ethernet code, but it seems so complex."
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"body": "Control codes used by ITS:\r\n\r\n- 10 - backspace / move left\r\n- 12 - linefeed / move down\r\n- 30 - forward space\r\n- 32 - move up\r\n- 34 - home down\r\n- 35 - home up\r\n- 36 - clear eol\r\n- 37 - clear eof"
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"body": "2.11BSD termcap entry for Datapoint 3360:\r\n\r\n :do=^J:am:le=^H:bs:cd=^_:ce=^^:cl=^]^_:co#82:ho=^]:li#25:nd=^x:up=^z:\r\n\r\nTranslated:\r\n\r\n- down - 12\r\n- left - 10\r\n- clear to end of display - 37\r\n- clear to end of line - 36\r\n- home - 35\r\n- right - 30\r\n- up - 32"
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"body": "KA ITS at Stacken?\r\n\r\n> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 87 23:02:14 EDT\r\n> From: Alan Bawden\r\n> Subject: The operating system that wouldn't die! AAAAIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!\r\n> To: INFO-ITS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU\r\n> \r\n> I thought I would take this opportunity to spread the word about something that I don't think has been very widely publicized. Some of you may recall that a while ago some fellows in Sweden contacted us about running ITS on various PDP-10's that they owned? Well, we mailed them a set of tapes for bringing up ITS on their 2020, which they were able to do without too much trouble (their biggest problem was -my- fault). That all happened over a year ago. Recently we learned that these guys have successfully -built- ITS paging hardware for their KA-10, and have ITS up and running there as well! Totally Amazing.\r\n"
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"body": "I thought the ITS KA hardware had gone to sweden, and I _assumed_ the\npaging boxes (and whatever remained of the PDP-6 did too)....\n\n"
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"body": "There's a message copied into a comment here which says the KA AI went to the MIT Concourse undergrad program. I haven't seen anything about ML or DM. The KL MC indeed went to Sweden."
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"body": "Yeah, the one that MIT gave to Stacken was the MIT-MC KL-10A.\n\nAs I think I recall the story: the Stacken KA-10 was one they found on\ntheir own (on a loading dock somewhere? dunno). MIT's introduction to\nthe Stacken folks was them writing to us saying they'd heard we had a\nfree OS which would run on that hardware and could they please have a\ncopy. We said sure, but it requires custom paging hardware, to which\nthey replied by asking for copies of the paging hardware blueprints\nalong with the tapes. A few weeks later they reported that they'd\nbuilt the hardware and had it running -- after correcting a bug in the\nblueprints, so they sent us the fix.\n"
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"body": "Hello SRA,\r\n\r\nThanks for the confirmation! I have talked to Stacken people, but they don't remember anything about a KA ITS, just KS.\r\n\r\nThey bought their first KA10 from DEC for less than $1. There's a copy of the invoice somewhere. It was pre owned and came from Finland."
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"body": "- Update list of machines."
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"body": "I can now telnet from my Linux host to KA ITS."
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"body": "Tried to ping Bob the other day. Didn't work."
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"body": "How many pages are we talking about? It is entirely possible to setup a quick small rig using a DLSR and process several hundreds of pages with very good quality and very fast."
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"body": "AIM-128 describes SERVO, a program for manipulating the A/D and D/A channels.\r\n\r\nAIM-144 describes IO TEST, another program for testing this hardware."
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"body": "A normal KA print set has about 80 pages of block schematics and 20 pages of flow diagrams. Some more for wiring and assembly. Let's just have some more patience."
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"body": "I'm now adding a ACC LH/DH IMP interface to SIMH. This will provide TCP/IP networking for KS10 ITS."
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"body": "This isn't (exactly) a Y2K issue; it's a leap year rule issue. At present, `TIME:ON-WHAT-DAY-OF-THE-WEEK?` is only correct until the end of February 2000.\r\n\r\n`A` is the number of years adjusted so that years start on March 1st, which means the leap day falls at the end of the year. The last few terms in the addition implement the leap year rules. The 100 and 400 rules are correct, but there's also a `(// A -2000)` term in there, which makes years divisible by 2000 *not* be leap years. That shouldn't be there; there's no such rule in the Gregorian calendar (although it was occasionally proposed prior to 2000, since it would have made the average year length a bit more accurate, so perhaps the author of this was thinking of one of those proposals).\r\n\r\nWith the `(// A -2000)` term removed, I've checked that this code produces correct results for every day from 1753 up to at least 10000. And if people are still using both ITS and the Gregorian calendar come 10000, someone's going to have to go through the code and make it handle three-digit centuries anyway...\r\n\r\n(There's a comment saying `This code adapted from JONL's package MC:LIBDOC;DOW >`, so I guess #726 needs the same fix. Do we have the source for that, and does it say any more about where the algorithm came from?)"
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"body": "Thanks! I’ll fix. And yes, my next commit will include DOW, which I will. Also fix."
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"body": "I will check off the LISPLIB packages that are now part of the DB build once this PR is merged."
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"body": "Well, now the build has exeeded the 50 minute limit for KLH10 as well. So I guess we're screwed until we either split the build or find another means of building. I assume the travis.com version costs money? How much?"
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"body": "Also LISP; LOCK REPORT is missing."
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"body": "Also LISP; NEW RECENT"
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"body": "> I assume the travis.com version costs money? How much?\r\n\r\nTheir cheapest is $69: https://travis-ci.com/plans"
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"body": "I could host a Jenkins instance in the cloud that we could use. But are there plugins for Jenkins that duplicate all the features of Travis?"
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"body": "Thanks, I also thought about installing Jenkins. I was surprised it was not in Ubuntu; what's up with that?\r\n\r\nWhat features of Travis do you want? I can think of just one: triggering from a push to GitHub.\r\n\r\nIn some ways Jenkins surpasses Travis in features. For example, it's possible to configure a successful built to trigger another build. So for example, building ITS could trigger building Macsyma. (Or the other way if that's better.)"
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"body": "Agreed on LIBDOC/LSBLIB and not linking to PRATT."
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"body": "Maybe KLH created this?"
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"body": "For the (written) record, I have brought up a Jenkins server under a Ubuntu 16.04 VM in the cloud. I haven't advertised this yet since it isn't working properly. While Jenkins can build the SIMH DB build fine, it fails when building the KLH10 version. In fact, I cannot successfully build the KLH10 build in a shell on this Ubuntu 16.04 VM. It appears to be timing-related (expect times out waiting on output that can clearly see in the output stream). I've gotten past several of the places where things hang by adding some \"sleep 2\" commands prior to some expect \":KILL\" commands. If I can get a reliable KLH10 build, I'll commit the changes to the build.tcl script and move forward with advertising the new Jenkins build machine."
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"body": "By the way, the Jenkins build took 31 minutes for SIMH. This is pretty comparable to the 30 minute build time for SIMH on travis-ci.org. "
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"body": "Pandora Berman answered a question from me:\r\n> > I see no record of what happened to the KA ML and DM. Do you know?\r\n> \r\n> To the best of my knowledge, they were both scrapped. We have the ML front panel in our home office; Alan thinks an old acquaintance of ours has the DM paging panel. Alan says that for the last few years of its life, the ML-KA was in increasingly bad shape -- down more & more of the time. Alan used it to edit his master's thesis, & was essentially the only ML user for that summer; the previous principal user group, the Med. Group folks, had all evacuated to the farm of Vaxen. Shortly after Alan finished his thesis, ML became too unreliable even for text editing. We think the same sort of thing happened to DM.\r\n"
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"body": "For the written record: Jenkins is not the issue. I cannot manually run the ITS build in a shell on this instance. The instance is running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. I have, successfully, built ITS on another Ubuntu 14.04 LTS VM, though, so there must be something specific about this environment. "
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"body": "I started a fresh build with newly cloned repos. It timed out after building VV.\r\n\r\nI have now increased the `type` delay between characters from .03 to .1 seconds."
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"body": "lsb_release -a says it's Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, not 14.04."
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"body": "Sorry, that's what I meant: 16.04 -- 16.04.02. I'm so used to typing 14.04! "
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"body": "Yeah, that's where it first timed out for me. I added a \"sleep 2\" before the expect check that followed that command, and got past it. But then it failed again later on. After putting in a few \"sleep 2\" commands in various places where I saw failures, it failed earlier in the expect script. So that approach was not going to work. Then, it started failing on the glob \"?\" match inside the type function. When I removed that (as a test), I got past that. The final failure was when expect send a \":midas xxxx\\r\" command to KLH10, and not only were the characters not echoed by ITS, but ITS did not appear to \"see\" that command. I suspect KLH10 was hung at that point. \r\n\r\nAlso, when I first tried the build with Jenkins, I would see KLH10 it close to 100% CPU usage. It would usually eventually drop back down. However, after the build was in progress for 2+ hours, I gave up and terminated the Jenkins job. That's when I started seeing whether the build could run manually -- and noticed it didn't.\r\n\r\nI wonder whether it would make a difference to TRY (just for debugging) KLH10 with networking disabled. I wonder if the frequent hangs waiting for the network to come up are manifesting themselves differently in this environment -- and causing issues. \r\n\r\nProbably what we should do is see is a) increase the expect timeout (to allow easier debugging), b) wait until the expect script hangs (waiting for something that isn't going to happen due to the \"issue\" -- whatever it is), c) then check to see if KLH10 is running at close to 100% cpu utilization, and if so, interrupt the process and do a stack trace to see what it is doing."
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"body": "Increased delay didn't work. In a way, that's good."
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"body": "Yeah, already tried that with an absurdly long delay (.9) and that didn't help at all."
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