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"body": "I wonder how I got those two stone.(extra next) in there? I removed them. The version of LSRRTN is different in INQUIR and GAMES. I kept the one in GAMES local to GAMES for now. I'll enter an issue to compare the two and attempt to consolidate if appropriate. "
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"body": "Thanks for fixing my LIMERI mistake!"
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"body": "Binary installed as part of DB-ITS. Still need to build from source. #907 "
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"body": "Binary installed as part of #907. But need to locate source and build from source."
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"body": "The binary, info, etc. are installed in GAMES as part of #907. Still need to build from source."
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"body": "I can't figure out how to compile BAK; CHASE 78. It makes references to NEWCOPY and MAKESYM. While I can guess what MAKESYM is supposed to do and can write a function that does what I think it is supposed to do, I can't figure out NEWCOPY."
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"body": "I have CHASE compiling now. I defined MAKESYM and NEWCOPY and fixed some missing parentheses and now it appears to compile and load when run. I don't think my SUPDUP client is emulating a VT52 so I'm unable to play successfully, though."
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"body": "It does look like LSRRTN in INQUIR is a \"better\" and more featureful version than the LSRRTN in GAMES. I'm going to check to see if ANIMAL works fine with the LSRRTN in INQUIR and if so, I'll switch it over to use that one and get rid of GAMES; LSRRTN 1. "
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"body": "It looks like the INQUIR version of LSRRTN works fine with ANIMAL. I'll commit a change to switch to that version and delete the one in GAMES;"
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"body": "This assembles fine, but when run is missing the file DSK:FONTS;40VSHD KST. So this file needs to get installed too. I see that the source tree already contains this, but when I built my ITS from a very recent master branch (within a day or so), I don't see any FONTS directory loaded. And it isn't on my sources.tape generated by a KLH10 build. Not sure why this is the case.\r\n\r\nUpdate: rebuilding ITS is now giving me the FONTS directories. "
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"body": "Melinda Varian's [VM and the VM Community](http://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda/25paper.pdf) has an IBM perspective on 545 Tech Square; no ITS but some interesting comments on CTSS and Multics, and lots on what IBM's Cambridge Scientific Centre was up to.\r\n\r\n> The building was a hotbed of time-sharing activity. \"At one time in the mid-60s, I counted ten or fifteen time-sharing systems being coded or tested or accessed in Tech Square.\" (J.B. Harmon, private communication, 1989.)"
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"body": "No, it won't work very well through a SUPDUP session. It could be an interesting exercise to make a VT52 emulator that uses P-codes. (I have an idea to make a microcode level VT52 *simulator*, so maybe I'll do just that.)\r\n\r\nI'll test this in an xterm, which supports VT52 emulation."
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"body": "Fixed and rendered here: #905."
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"body": "Good, as far as I know that font should be included."
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"body": "There was also a secret CIA office.\r\n\r\nAnd Computer Corporation of America rented space. They hosted the ARPA Datacomputer (see #811, #812) running on TENEX, and sold an early Emacs clone for Unix."
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"body": "> It could be an interesting exercise to make a VT52 emulator that uses P-codes.\r\n\r\nCRTSTY should be able to do that, with something like \":crtsty soft simulate vt52\". (No idea whether it actually works, but the code is definitely there!)"
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"body": "I get this. Todo: check if we need to expunge DADD and DSUB.\r\n\r\n```\r\nIDISAD+6 2220 2. 14-014 DADD Pseudo, macro or initial sym as label\r\nDISSUB+4 2242 2. 15-020 DSUB Pseudo, macro or initial sym as label\r\n"
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"body": "I think CHASE actually does work — as long as you type only uppercase ascii characters as commands. And the doc says that you are supposed to use these uppercase commands."
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"body": "The secret CIA office wasn’t so secret — well it was, but many folks who worked in that building knew about it and joked about what we thought they we up to. I suspect it was just for recruiting."
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"body": "Yeah, it is. Just not on the test system where I built and ran BANNER. I’ve since built a new test system from the HEAD of master."
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"body": "Thanks @atsampson, I didn't know CRTSTY could do that too."
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"body": "DECUUO passes an address in the upper half of the address space which is interpreted as a BLKO pointer. But the intention is to use a linked list."
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"body": "I have made a small test program which for now just displays two lines.\r\n\r\nIf I pass an address to a BKLO pointer, ITS hangs. If I pass in an address to a word `.-2000,,dstart-1` where dstart is the start of the display list and . is right after the list, it works. (This is what PDSET does.) This seems to go against the documented behaviour of .DSTART.\r\n\r\nOr did I misunderstand something about BLKO pointers?"
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"body": "@rcornwell, would you be willing to make a small FAILSA tape image sample? Just three files or something."
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"body": "Has unterminated `[` literals."
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"body": "Page 44:\r\n\r\nhttp://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1170/EK-FP11C-MM-01_FP11C_May76.pdf"
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"body": "Some (small number of) files on trailing-edge are in failsafe format. I am at a\r\nconference right now, but will check when I can and provide a URL.\r\n"
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"body": "One example is:\r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/AP-D481A-SB_1978.tap.bz2\r\n"
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"body": "Traditionally, each user had their own copy of TS CMD in their HSNAME directory. But it works just as well if there's a common file e.g. SYS3; TS CMD."
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"body": "I'd like to grab OO. The convention in ITS is to prefix old programs with O, and ancient ones with OO.\r\n\r\nOO ITS will be a 1972 or 1973 version with access only from ARPANET. Oh, you don't have ARPANET? Tough."
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"body": "[RFC 525](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc525), 1973-06-01, has a transcript of a session on ML with ITS 796, DDT 514, MACSYMA 212.\r\n\r\n[RFC 578](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc578), 1973-10, has a transcript showing MUDDLE 42 on DM, and ITS 1 (?), DDT 516, MACSYMA 226 on ML."
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"body": "Some digging in Saildart:\r\n- https://www.saildart.org/FOO[CAR,HPM]2, 1974-04-01 - ITS 852, DDT 527\r\n- https://www.saildart.org/AIDIR[1,DEK], 1974-11-24 - ITS 914, MACSYMA 251\r\n- https://www.saildart.org/ALL.6[P,SYS]1 - ITS 1268 (\"27 JUN 1982\")"
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"body": "Do you have source? "
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"body": "Login session from DM ITS, October 1971!\r\n\r\n[RFC 254](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc254) - MONIT 49, ITS 795 (747?), DDT 1334 (!), STINK T60, MIDAS 39, TECO 175\r\n\r\nThese version numbers should be taken with a grain of DM salt."
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"body": "TS O is a binary produced by Alan Snyder's C compiler (like STINKR, SHELL etc.)."
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"body": "Nope. I don't know if it was ever distributed as source; all I could find when looking before was the BKG.EXE binary."
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"body": "@rcornwell points to this: http://sky-visions.com/dec/f40.tap.bz2"
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"body": "This is a very bad copy of [\"Scenarios for Using Arpanet\" at the International Conference on Computer Communication](https://ia802303.us.archive.org/8/items/ScenariosForUsingArpanetAtTheInternationalConferenceOnComputerCommunication/SCE.txt)\r\n\r\nSeptember 1972.\r\n\r\nAI ITS:\r\n\r\n- ITS 761\r\n- DDT 460\r\n- JOTTO\r\n- CHESS\r\n\r\nDM ITS:\r\n\r\n- MONIT 192\r\n- MUDDLE 31\r\n- ITS 761\r\n\r\nML ITS:\r\n\r\n- ITS 761\r\n- DDT 460"
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"body": "A large collection of early 70s ITS hints, tips and software announcements (TECO, TJ6, SUPDUP, AGB chess, etc.): https://www.saildart.org/INFO.ITS[UP,DOC]"
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"body": "[INFO.ITS[UP,DOC]](https://www.saildart.org/INFO.ITS%5BUP,DOC%5D) says:\r\n\r\n> TO BRING UP LOGO ON THE MATHLAND 11/45, DO:\r\n> \r\n> \tSET ADDRESS SWITCHES TO 177000(OCTAL), DEPRESS\r\n> \tLOAD ADDRESS, HIT START; SHOULD REQUEST DATE &\r\n> \tTIME, DO C/R; YOU'RE ALL SET NOW, IF THE UNIVERSE\r\n> \tHAS ANY JUSTICE."
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"body": "TELSUP and SUPDUP do special things when JNAME is SAIL."
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"body": "SAILDART has a more complete changelog for MacLisp, from LISP 102 in 1969 to LISP 472 in 1978: https://www.saildart.org/LISP.RPG[UP,DOC]"
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"body": "There's at least some overlap with LSPMAI; LISP OARCHI."
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"body": "I'm not sure I'd describe what it's doing as \"friendly\", exactly! I guess we could have the build process do a couple of extra STINK commands when linking Muddle to extract the values of PURVEC and MUDPUR that it wants. Or save it the effort by making Muddle store a pointer to PURVEC at UUOH+2.\r\n\r\nOn the other hand, that code seems to be disabled at the moment for good reasons:\r\n\r\n> ; 1 to include kludge for MUDDLE that might\r\n> ; randomly PCLSR any job. Set this to 1 and your\r\n> ; name is mud. -Alan"
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"body": "Maybe we should get permission from Marc, just for fun."
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"body": "I meant Marc, because he wrote this comment:\r\n\r\n```\r\n; I SWEAR I'LL BREAK THE NECK OF THE ASSHOLE WHO REMOVES ANY\r\n; CODE HERE WITHOUT CONSULTING ME AND OBTAINING PERMISSION. (MARC)\r\n"
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"body": "Oh, I didn't see that. I just saw the note from Alan saying that if you enabled it your name was mud."
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"body": "Indeed no CTENSR FASL is installed at this time.\r\n\r\nI see there exists files MACSYM; ITENSR FASL and TENSOR; CTENSR FASL in backups. Those seem promising. @eswenson1, can you take a look at this?"
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"body": "Maybe ETENSR became CTENSR later... so the refman is not updated, even if we have the version 9 of MACSYMA."
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"body": "I have placed the TENSOR; CTENSR FASL files in the [its-vault](https://github.com/PDP-10/its-vault) repository. @TheFausap, if you like, you can copy this file to your ITS image (presumably to the SHARE directory, or make a link) and see it MACSYMA gets any further."
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"body": "From MACDOC; OUPDAT 352:\r\n\r\n> RP@MIT-MC 02/16/80 1629-EST To: INFO-MACSYM\r\nThe new tensor packages are operational. The ETENSR pack is now called\r\nCTENSR and is available by doing LOADFILE(CTENSR,FASL,SHARE); for \r\ncomponent tensor manipulation. The ITENSR pack, as before, is loaded by \r\ndoing LOADFILE(ITENSR,FASL,SHARE); for indicial tensor manipulation. \r\nBoth packages have many new functions as well as old ones which have been \r\nmodified. A full description is available by printing SHARE;TENSOR DESCR.\r\nIn addition, demos exist on the TENSOR; directory under the first \r\nfilenames CTENSR and ITENSR. Send bugs or comments to RP or TENSOR.\r\n"
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"body": "So ETENSR is old -- replaced with CTENSR. This file was not included in the normal build scripts -- not sure why. I do see a reference in JPG; SUPRV > to the adding of an autoload property for tsetup to SHARE; CTENSR FASL, so this should definitely get added to the build. Now, I'm not sure where the correct source for this is -- this was written in Macsyma and translated to lisp, resulting in the source TENSOR; CTENSR TRLISP. That last file was then compiled to TENSOR; CTENSR FASL, which got installed as SHARE; CTENSR FASL. I can certianly add CTENSR TRLISP to the build and buid it to CTENSR FASL. However, the \"right\" thing to do would be to compile the Macsyma source to the TRLISP and then compile the TRLISP file to the FASL file. Not sure where the Macsyma source for CTENSR is...."
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"body": "The macsyma source for CTENSR is in TENSOR;CTENSR FUNCS. We don't have this source, but I can see if we can find it. "
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"body": "I moved a copy of TENSOR; CTENSR FASL to SHARE; CTENSR FASL, and then, within Macsyma, ran tsetup(); Here is what I got:\r\n\r\n> *:copy tensor;ctensr fasl,share;\r\n>*macsym^K!\r\n>\r\n>This is MACSYMA 999\r\n>\r\n> (C1) tsetup();\r\n> \r\n> CTENSR FASL DSK SHARE being loaded\r\n> CTENSR source DSK:TENSOR;CTENSR FUNCS\r\n> TRMODE FASL DSK MACSYM being loaded\r\n> Loading done\r\n> oading done\r\n> Enter the dimension of the coordinate system:\r\n\r\nSo I guess it is likely to work -- but I don't know how to use this and haven't read the doc.\r\n\r\nI'll make sure CTENSR gets into the build (either from LISP or Macsyma source), or, I can't compile it, I'll just include the FASL file."
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"body": "I tried compiling CTENSR TRLISP to CTENSR FASL, and it seemed to work fine when I loaded it. So even if we can't get the Macsyma source for CTENSR, we have the translated lisp (TRLISP) source and can compile the FASL from it.\r\n\r\n> *complr^K!\r\n> LISP COMPILER 2155 [in LISP 2154]\r\n> _ejs;_tensor;ctensr trlisp\r\n> _\r\n> 50074) XCT 11 $^X. MACSYM$J\r\n> *$^X.\r\n> *macsym^K!\r\n> This is MACSYMA 999\r\n> (C1) loadfile(ctensr,fasl,dsk,ejs);\r\n> \r\n> CTENSR FASL DSK EJS being loaded\r\n> CTENSR source DSK:TENSOR;CTENSR FUNCS\r\n>\r\n> TRMODE FASL DSK MACSYM being loaded\r\n> Loading done\r\n> Loading done\r\n> (D1) DONE\r\n> (C2) tsetup();\r\n> Enter the dimension of the coordinate system:\r\n\r\nThis does beg the question of what version number we should be using when building Macsyma. I picked 999 to make sure it was bigger than any other version. I'll enter a new ticket for that."
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"body": "It may be that you use the Macsyma translate_file() command. Attempting to use it from DB-ITS Macsyma gives:\r\n\r\n> (C3) translate_file(foo,bar,baz,buz);\r\n> Could not find file which matches \"DSK:MACSYM;TRANSS FASL\"\r\n> \r\n> (C4)\r\n\r\nI believe TRANSS was a source that I was unable to compile. See the build_macsyma_portion function in build.tcl -- where I explicitly exclude TRANSS from the build. I\r\n\r\nSo we need to either a) figure out how to build TRANSL;TRANSS >, or b) include MACSYM; TRANSS FASL in our Macsyma build. "
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"body": "Adding the file MACSYM; TRANSS FASL to DB allows translate_file() to get a little further, but it then attempts to load MACSYM; TRHOOK FASL. That was another file that I was unable to build, and that was skipped in the DB macsyma build process. "
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"body": "Adding MACSYM; TRHOOK FASL to the system gets further, but then Macsyma bombs out with:\r\n\r\n> (C5) translate_file(foo,bar,baz,buz);\r\n> \r\n> TRANSS FASL DSK MACSYM being loaded\r\nLoading done\r\n[TRANSS, 80, DSK, MAXER1] FILE NOT FOUND\r\n(C6)\r\n\r\nThat file would have been produced by the macsyma build process when building TRANSS (which we can't yet build). \r\n"
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"body": "Adding MAXER1; TRANSS 80 to the system results in successful creation of a TRLISP file. Here is a transcript:\r\n\r\n> *macsym^K!\r\n>\r\n> This is MACSYMA 999\r\n>\r\n> C1) translate_file(ode2);\r\n>\r\n> TRANSS FASL DSK MACSYM being loaded\r\n> TRANSL AUTOLO DSK MACSYM being loaded\r\n> Loading done\r\n> Loading done\r\n>\r\n> Translation begun on DSK:EJS;ODE2 69.\r\n>\r\n> You have run out of LIST space.\r\n> Do you want more?\r\n> Type ALL; NONE; a level-no. or the name of the space.\r\n>\r\n> ALL;\r\n>\r\n> STATUS FASL DSK MAXOUT being loaded\r\n> Loading done\r\n> (D1) [\"DSK:EJS;ODE2 69\", \"DSK:EJS;ODE2 TRLISP\", \"DSK:EJS;ODE2 UNLISP\"]\r\n>\r\n> (C2)\r\n\r\nSo it appears we can build macsym files that were written in Macsyma, through use of the Macsyma translator. JPG; ODE2 > is an example of such a file, as is TENSOR; CTENSR FUNCS. \r\n\r\nSo all we need to do is either figure out how to build TRANSS and TRHOOK or include the FASL files for these in the build.\r\n"
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"body": "Looking at an old version of the macsyma source for CTENSR, it seems it will require SHAREM; PACKG FASL in order to successfully translate. We do have the source for that (SHAREM; PACKG 7) as well as a fasl file (SHAREM; PACKG FASL), so when I get TENSOR; CTENSR FUNCS, I should be able to translate it to lisp and compile it to FASL."
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"body": "My recollection is that the ARDS (Advanced Remote Display Station) was developed by a group in building 20 at MIT, called something like \"Electronic Systems\". I had a student job in 1968 or so building a teaching program on CTSS for use in a lab course in the Materials Science department. Their ARDS connected to CTSS by dialup modem. \r\n\r\nSupport for ARDSes on ITS was no doubt added at Project MAC, but the hardware was more widely used by CTSS customers. At DM, we had several ARDSes which quickly became obsolete after Imlac PDS-1Ds appeared."
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"body": "According the reference manual V9 (dec77) there's a package called etensr fasl, so I think it's bigger than 9."
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"body": "Here there're some sources, with also some hints for the version number\r\n\r\nhttp://www.unf.edu/public/cap4630/kmartin/gradfall94/maxima/src/\r\n\r\nthere's transs.lisp but not trhook.lisp\r\n\r\nI'm not sure if these are too recent "
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"body": "@larsbrinkhoff I know the question could be stupid, but how can I do that without recreating the disks? :-)"
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"body": "@TheFausap I recommend you create a tape with itstar and then mount that tape on your running ITS system, and use the DUMP (LOAD) program to load the file(s) you need. That’s what I did to test it. If you need help with this, let me know. And I could share with you the tape I made to test all this."
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"body": "These are for Common Lisp, not MacLisp. There is no CL for ITS. These sources were ported from MacLisp to CL. They are useful in cases that we have to recreate lost/missing sources, but not directly usable. I have located the required CTENSR FUNCS file and have requested a copy."
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"body": "I believe 9 is the version of the manual.\n"
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"body": "Remaking the disk image from scratch is very slow. Much faster is to\nput the files on a tape, and then extraxt them in ITS. There's a guide\nfor that in the doc directory.\n"
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"body": "Is that the latest version though? Perhaps we need to look through all macsym * files to look for announcements on MC for new versions of Macsyma. Also, we need to include the macsyma doc (latest we have) in the DB build.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On May 25, 2018, at 09:15, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> I believe 9 is the version of the manual.\n> —\n> You are receiving this because you authored the thread.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n"
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"body": "ITS has/had these files:\n\nFONTS; FONTS WIDTHS\nLMDEMO; TVBGAR QFASL\nLMDEMO; WORMCH QFASL (and AST)\n"
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"body": "Sounds exactly right! "
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"body": "Before:\r\n\r\n![harscn 1 25 pbm](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/436317/40570220-75623780-6080-11e8-83a9-8fbd45e3282a.png)\r\n\r\nAfter:\r\n\r\n![harscn 1 25 pbm](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/436317/40570224-7fd0a1de-6080-11e8-9b78-d97484854964.png)\r\n\r\nHere's the original [AIM-358](http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/ai/aim/AIM-358.pdf), and a [digitally remastered version](https://stuff.offog.org/its/aim358r.pdf). Bear in mind that you'll need to draw in the diagram on page 7 yourself!"
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"body": "Do we have a format for the PRESS file? Is it generated?"
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"body": "I found the two font files in some later System sources. But not the PRESS file."
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"body": "PRESS is for the Dover printer. Some programs handle it but I dont\nremember which right now.\n"
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"body": "Thanks! I'll take a look at this in a few days.\n"
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"body": "Both the MIT and SAIL XGP drivers reset the baseline adjustment at the start of each line:\r\n\r\n- https://github.com/PDP-10/its-vault/blob/master/files/sysen2/xgp.31#L1210\r\n- https://www.saildart.org/j5/J17_html/XGPSER.html#XGPSER:0028\r\n\r\nSo TJ6 is correct. I've fixed VERSA to match."
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"body": "> If MIT did an ITS release with GPL (where is that document?)\r\n\r\nThe MIT release, which I remember downloading enthusiastically in 1999, is at http://web.archive.org/web/20010920052418/http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu:80/ftpdir/its/ - it's only the SYSDOC and SYSTEM directories, i.e. not enough to build a complete system, and is GPL v2 or later. I would love to see MIT extend this permission to cover more of ITS; at least, the parts that were written by their staff and students.\r\n\r\nOther free software releases of peripherally-ITS-related material that I'm aware of:\r\n\r\n- Brad Parker has a collection of CADR-related files from ITS which MIT released under an X11-style license: http://www.unlambda.com/index.php?n=Main.Mit - this is mostly SUDS and Lisp source for the CADR, but there are a handful of other files in MOON;, and it includes many of the ITS bitmap fonts.\r\n\r\n- MIT and Bull released the Multics source under a custom (OSI-approved) license: http://web.mit.edu/multics-history/ - which includes the Multics versions of MacLisp, TECO, Emacs, etc. Not the same codebases as the ITS versions, but perhaps an argument could be made to MIT that they've already released a different platform's version...\r\n\r\n- ESTSC agreed to release DOE-MACSYMA under the GPL in 1998: http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ - which is a distant descendant of the ITS version.\r\n\r\n- The GNU Emacs manual is derived from the ITS Emacs manual - more obviously so in older versions, but there are chunks of text that still survive today."
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"body": "I checked a few pages of the old and new AI memo, and they look virtually identical. Congratulations!\r\n\r\nObviously, the old document doesn't have page headers.\r\n\r\nThe font for 385 on the title page, is it missing?"
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"body": "The index is sorted differently."
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"body": "Oh, I see the comment about \"358\"."
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"body": "You didn't request a review yet. Looks fine so far, though."
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"body": "This is my copy from back then: \r\nhttp://pdp10.nocrew.org/its/swiss/"
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"body": "MACDOC; UPDATE 10 \r\nMACDOC; UPDATE 11\r\n"
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"body": "There's a file MACDOC; UPDATE 10 which should be updates to the version 10 manual. There's also a MACDOC; UPDATE 11."
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"body": "MACMAI; INFO MACSYMA has release annoncements in the form \"Macsyma NNN has just been created\"."
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"body": "So we have the earliest version on record, 263 in 1977. And he latest was 304 in 1983."
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