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"body": "I disagree with your legal analysis."
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"body": "Right, the NSALV binary in the ITS disk image obviously work for the limited set of functions we make it run. I believe its only use is as part of the ITS monitor dumped as .; @ ITS.\r\n\r\nThe two binaries in the repository (host file system) are used to run MARK and FESET when building a fresh disk image."
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"body": "@36bit This, and also #170 FORTRAN (hey @philbudne), should fall under the \"DEC 36-bit hobbyist license\", see http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/. Have fun!"
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"body": "**MC KL10** (also MX)\r\n\r\nProject MAC Progress Report XIII, page 69:\r\n> The Consortium purchased a KL-10 computer which is approximately five times as fast as our older KA-10 computer.\r\n> A DEC KL-10 system was purchased for the Consortium largely from ARPA funds, and was delivered in July 1975. Guy L. Steele and David A. Moon rewrote the microcode for the machine so that it simulated the pager on the Mathlab KA-10 and our ITS operating system was in operation in November.\r\n\r\nhttps://github.com/PDP-10/its/pull/403#issuecomment-395183650 has the date from 1982 MC started running TCP/IP:\r\n> MIT-MC was doing TCP on December 19th.\r\n\r\n> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 88 21:39:25 EDT\r\n> From: \"Pandora B. Berman\" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>\r\n> Subject: The end of the world as we used to know it\r\n> To: (*MSG *ITS)@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, ARPANET-BBOARDS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, INFO-ITS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU\r\n> Message-ID: <439827.880908.CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>\r\n> \r\n> \"The time has come,\" said LCS,\r\n> \"MX at last must go.\r\n> Its day has gone. We need that space\r\n> Most urgently.\" And so\r\n> Before we crate it, let us give\r\n> A final cheerio.\r\n> \r\n> Once there was a KL-10 called MIT-MC which belonged to the Macsyma Consortium. It provided Macsyma, the symbolic algebra system, to researchers all over the world, and mail gatewaying and mailing list support to a large fraction of the Arpanet. Things continued in this fashion from 1975 to 1983.\r\n> \r\n> When the Macsyma Consortium dissolved in 1983, MC turned to providing cycles for MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science, and continued supporting much of the Arpanet's mail service. But the machine itself was growing old and cranky. In 1986, the mail services were moved to a smaller, more maintainable machine (a KS-10), and the name \"MC\" was moved with them. But the KL-10 continued to run under the new name \"MX\".\r\n> \r\n> Now the end has come. MX was down cold for several months, and has only been revived recently to copy some old 7-track tapes. LCS can't keep MX any longer -- it needs the space for other purposes. So the KL is being sent to the Home for Aged But Beloved PDP-10s; a crack team of hardware hackers will arrive next week to dismantle it and take it back with them to Sweden."
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"body": "**ML KS10**\r\n\r\n> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 04:43:45 EST\r\n> From: \"Pandora B. Berman\" <CENT%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU>\r\n> Subject: adios to ML\r\n> To: BUG-ITS%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU, POSTMASTER%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU, NGL%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU\r\n> Message-ID: <693233.900125.CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>\r\n> \r\n> alan has made an Executive Decision that trying to make ML work again, as well as keeping AI and MC in good shape, is Too Much Work For One Overloaded Grad Student However Encouraging His Friends Are. therefore, ML isn't coming up again. we did a full dump just before it came down in november, so all the files are available.\r\n"
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"body": "**MC KS10**\r\n\r\nNote: it was called MX first, and then switched name with the KL10 MC.\r\n\r\n> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 86 09:02:47 EST\r\n> From: Alan Bawden <ALAN@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>\r\n> Subject: A new ITS is born\r\n> To: INFO-ITS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, KS-ITS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, KARENS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU\r\n> Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].22057.860328.ALAN>\r\n> \r\n> MIT-MX came up for the first time this morning. (You can supdup there right now, but you won't find much when you get there...) There are still some problems with the technology for creating new ITS systems from scratch, but it mostly works. Hopefully after doing the next two (ML and MD) things will be pretty smooth.\r\n> \r\n> All kind of worms are crawling out of the woodwork because of various programs that -know- that all ITS machines are named \"AI\", \"MC\", \"ML\", or \"DM\". It should take another days hacking to stomp them all...\r\n\r\n> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 86 10:15:06 EST\r\n> From: \"Pandora B. Berman\" <CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>\r\n> Subject: moving day\r\n> To: KS-ITS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, LAUREL@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, sollins@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU\r\n> Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30845.860425.CENT> \r\n> \r\n> MX and ML have undergone a mutual brain transplant. MX is now the KS between the LHDH bay and the 8N-HUBs, while ML is now the KS over beside MD, near the dover. MX is (still) running ITS; its LHDH doesn't work for some reason, but JTW et al are planning to work on this. ML and MD are still running Twenex, but that won't last."
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"body": "The DEC20 Muddle runtime claims that it can run in either a single memory section, or in several (in the latter case, it had a few reserved sections--one for the program (vs. control) stack, for example--with everything else used for GC space). Would have to study it a bit more closely to see if that's actually a true statement: I know that we always ran in multi-section mode (we needed the memory), so the single-section configuration would not have been exercised a lot. Muddle did not take advantage of 18-bit addresses even on the KA-10 (pointers were two words, with the header having type code and, for some types, length), so there wouldn't be any changes in pointer sizes to deal with, anyway."
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"body": "**AI KS10**\r\n\r\n> Date: 27 June 1984 09:52-EDT\r\n> From: J. Noel Chiappa <JNC>\r\n> Re: MIT-AI (sub 2) arrives!\r\n> Wooooooo Shit! On the very loading dock at 545TS there is a monster moving van unloading a large collection of large boxes manifested to one M. Roylance, Esq. The THING seems to be here...\r\n> They are sticking it inside Receiving since there doesn't seem to be a space ready for it on 9.\r\n\r\n\r\n> Date: Wed,17 Apr 85 17:19:39 EST\r\n> From: Alan Bawden <ALAN@MIT-MC>\r\n> Subject: AI ITS 1514\r\n> To: KS-ITS@MIT-MC\r\n> Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].458514.850417.ALAN>\r\n> \r\n> So today I typed ^Z on AI's system console and ITS started a job, loaded SYS:ATSIGN HACTRN which contained a program that opened the TTY: and did trivial terminal IO. Wow. Multi-processing and everything...\r\n\r\n\r\n> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1986 09:33 EST\r\n> From: @sraustein \\<SRA at XX.LCS.MIT.EDU>\r\n> To: ks-its at AI.AI.MIT.EDU, cr-people at COMET.LCS.MIT.EDU\r\n> Re: When we say reliable, we MEAN reliable\r\n> \r\n> And it came to pass that on the seventh day of February 1986, AI the KS10, godchild of AI the KA10 and child of much sweat, fast talking, and cussing, did come up upon the ARPANET as host 10.2.0.6. And there was much rejoicing and jumping up and down and comments of \"Yow, verily, we are winning\".\r\n> \r\n> And as we sat there, SUPDUPed in from various KL10s, running PEEK and marveling at the \"(TCP)\" indicators in the A display, we did see a small flurry of connections to the SMTP port. And we were somewhat bemused by this, since as far as the rest of the ARPANET could tell it had been 3 years since MIT-AI had last been up. And after a short time the flurry died down, and the entire net breathed a (quiet) sigh of relief that the two issues of SF-LOVERS and three Bandykin messages that had been caught in transit back when the KA was turned off had finally made it home to 10.2.0.6.\r\n> \r\n> ARPANET. When it absolutely, positively MUST get there, even if we have to build a new CPU to deliver it to.\r\n"
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"body": "I think the source is: SYSEN1;LIMERI 1\r\nIt uses the file MC: EAK; LIMS 7 for data for SYS2; TS LIMERI. \r\nI think it uses MC: ECC;QUOTES 55 for data for SYS1; TS QUOTE"
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"body": "I just assembled LIMERI as TS QUOTE inserting ECC; QUOTES 55 rather than EAK; LIMS 7 when prompted for LIMS > file and it worked fine. The resulting TS QUOTE displayed quotes."
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"body": "We may wish to add SYS1; TS WATCH as a link to SYS1; TS NWATCH, This is how it is setup in the PI distribution."
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"body": "Not that I've found. But if we find any squeezed files, it would be good to be able to unsqueeze them."
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"body": "Hmm. I bet we'd quickly want to switch to Slack or similar. (Just where are all those emojis?)"
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"body": "What is RFC? There's also something called NETRFC, I'm guessing it's something related?"
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"body": "Request for Comments? :-). I just copied what was in the header. Was going to look into what RFC they were implementing if/when ticket got assigned to me!"
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"body": "SYSEN2; TIME 27 is newer than SYSEN2; TIME 25. Still not version 39, but that source seems to be missing."
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"body": "SYSTEM; ITSDEV 974 is not correct. The real source is ML: BAWDEN; ITSDEV 102.\r\n"
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"body": "Also, fix the build of real mail (TS MAIL, TS QMAIL, TS QSEND, etc. to answer \"N\" to question as to whether these are the PWORD version)."
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"body": "Since this is not NTP, I wonder if anyone uses this today?"
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"body": "ML: or MC:?"
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"body": "Build error looks like a fluke, I have restarted it."
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"body": "Not sure, but this may be supported between ITS machines that have a Chaosnet setup between them."
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"body": "Well, ML: is where the binary was assembled from in the PI distribution. The file actually can be found in AI:BAWDEN; and MC:BAWDEN;. I got it from AI:BAWDEN;"
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"body": "Also needs SYSENG;FNR 10\r\n"
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"body": "Seems we are missing midas-mode. Must be an :EJ for it. "
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"body": "ITS EMACS seems to do fine with -\\*- MIDAS -*- files."
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"body": "Fair enough. Would it be better to remove all periods?"
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"body": "@bictorv When did UP first appear on the internet?"
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"body": "@eswenson1 I have my user files checked into an orphan branch called user/lars. That way, they don't clutter the master branch, but are still available in the repository."
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"body": "I think we now have a good selection of EMACS libraries installed. I'd like to do future additions in small batches. We can't install everything, because that will overflow the EMACS1 directory.\r\n\r\nSee #250 for a long list of libraries to tick off."
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"body": "EMACS; [TXJ] source code is missing.\r\n\r\nEDIT. Maybe: \r\n.TECO.; TXJ 186 \r\n.TECO.; TXJ MACROS \r\n.TECO.; TXJTST 46 \r\n.TECO.; XTXJ 15\r\n\r\nEDIT: No, those are not the Emacs library. Maybe these: \r\nTXJ; TXJ 706 \r\nTXJ; TXJCMD 654 \r\nTXJ; TXJFNT 33 \r\nTXJ; TXJFRM 352 \r\nTXJ; TXJ INFO \r\nTXJ; TXJLD 455 \r\nTXJ; TXJOVR 2 \r\nTXJ; TXJVFL 100 \r\nTXJ; TXJXGP 130 \r\n"
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"body": "This must be related to EMACS; XHOST :EJ."
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"body": "Found an alternative in the MIDAS manual: use the /T switch to set symbols."
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"body": "Also linked from SYS1; TS CTIMES for Chaos version."
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"body": "Uses #245?\r\n\r\nProbably:\r\n\r\n NTMSOC: 45 ; Socket to connect to"
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"body": "Fixed by #345."
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"body": "Probably. But clearly not a very important change."
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"body": "I think, perhaps, we should create a SYSEN3 directory and put all the sources we extract from random archives into that directory. We should probably also move some of the random included files from KLH, KSC, etc. directories into SYSEN3. It's my opinion, that if a binary is in SYS, SYS1, SYS2, or SYS3, then the source should be in SYSENG, SYSEN1, SYSEN2, or (SYSEN3). "
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"body": "Also needs KP;MACROS >. This appears not to be KSC; MACROS >. It appears to be GREN; MACROS 1."
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"body": "So how fast is it?"
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"body": "Faster than a speeding bullet. :-)\r\n\r\nI just used the same text as was used in the source code. It is just a compressed display of a directory with only the names and arranged in rows. "
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"body": "What do you think of my idea of creating SYSEN3 and putting all these sources there? I think we should also consolidate all the klh/ksc/mrc/gren/etc. INSRT files too, but this will require us to rename some of them to avoid collisions (e.g. MACROS). "
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"body": "> I think, perhaps, we should create a SYSEN3 directory and put all the sources we extract from random archives into that directory.\r\n\r\nYes, good idea.\r\n\r\n> We should probably also move some of the random included files from KLH, KSC, etc. directories into SYSEN3.\r\n\r\nI think it's part of its historical charm that some files reside in individual user directories. On the other hand, it makes for a more maintainable and logical system if all system sources are in the SYSEN directories. I suppose the FOO; MACROS > would have to get some special treatment. Stay with the users, or go in e.g. SYSMAC?\r\n\r\n> It's my opinion, that if a binary is in SYS, SYS1, SYS2, or SYS3, then the source should be in SYSENG, SYSEN1, SYSEN2, or (SYSEN3).\r\n\r\nI've been thinking the same thing."
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"body": "While I like the historical charm, I don't like the ugliness of having INSRT files in all these random directories, and, quite frankly, that charm is really only appreciated by a few. If you bring up an ITS system, it is a big ugly to have bawden, eak, gren, ksc, mrc, rms, sra, alan, cstacy, ecc, gz, klh, and rwk directories (I know host of these people and hope that I won't offend them greatly by my blasphemous comment). There is no logical reason why anyone would look in these directories for system sources, and the fact that there are relevant sources there can only be discerned through examining the source or by attempting to assemble/compile programs. I think we could have a document included in the distribution that maps the original locations to the new locations to maintain the history. (Geez, maybe we could even have a script that creates all these personal directories and copies the files back to them for those who really wanted it that way!). "
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"body": "Ah, should be much faster on a 1200 baud line."
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"body": "I didn't answer your SYSMAC issue. I think all those INSRTs should go in SYSEN3 and get renamed to avoid collisions. So, for example, GREN; MACROS > could become SYSEN3; GREMAC >, or something like that. "
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"body": "Indeed. I remember using ITS on a 1200 baud line. We had an LA36 (printing) terminal in our fraternity house with an acoustic coupler modem. I had to dial up a TIP/TAC and enter \"@o 54\" (or something like that) to connect to MIT-MC. And boy, did you regret typing some command that spewed a lot of output. You had to abort output all the time for fear of using up all the paper, or waiting interminably for the output to finish...."
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"body": "You mentioned not being able to install all EMACS libraries due to overflowing EMACS1. I'm not sure I understand. The source to EMACS libraries is in EMACS1. Clearly, you can include all the EMACS library source that AI/MC had in EMACS1. Are you talking about additional sources that lived elsewhere (e.g. in TOPS20 tapes)? If so, I think the additional sources should go into a new EMACS2. Or are you worried about not being able to have all the :EJ files in EMACS? Perhaps we'll have to create an EMACLB (emacs library) directory or some other directory (EMACSn) for the additional :EJ files and update the autoload properties (if necessary) for those to support loading :EJ files from both EMACS; and the new directory. \r\n\r\nOur initial goal, however, should be to include all libraries we can (assuming source can be found) for which there were :EJ files (or \\[...\\] files) in EMACS; This, by definition, can't overflow EMACS (or the EMACS1 source directory), if these binaries were already there in the original distribution. "
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"body": "Ok, updated the pull request. I dropped the .TEMP. commit."
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"body": "The set of AI and MC libraries are not identical. AI has some that MC don't, and vice versa. When I tried to combine them, the result didn't fit in EMACS1.\r\n\r\nI was thinking EMACS2 for the additional libraries, and EMACS0 for :EJ files if needed."
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"body": "Ah. Makes sense. I agree with your proposal. And EMACS0 makes good sense for the :DJ files. I was \"bothered\" by the notion of EMACS1 and EMACS2 for sources, and then what name to use for binaries -- EMACS0 is a good choice. We could also care a XXXLIB directory, which parallels what was done for LISP (LSPLIB). But what to use for XXX (EMA, EMC, EMS) or EMCSLB? :-)"
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"body": "I didn't move any files. The move from JSF; STNDRD MACROS to SYSENG; JSF MACROS was already present in AI/MC/PI."
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"body": "@philbudne Your program works in the 11/45 version of the emulator. Have to type a capital G to start it."
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"body": "I previously had the /45 version built, but to the wrong directory and filename. Now it mirrors PI:\r\n- SYS; TS PDP45 is the 11/45\r\n- SYS1; TS PDP11 is the 11/20"
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"body": "@eswenson1 I'm still updating this branch with added programs.\r\n\r\nI have now figured out how to handle terminal input when programs are built: Add a filename translation from TTY: to a file containing the input."
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"body": "Interesting stuff, this! Some of you have been digging deep. I really look forward hearing more from Hal's and the MIT archivist's efforts. \r\n\r\nI think I have heard from Rich Alderson that the ITS disks that have been online was just a few of the backups taken and more should be in the vaults at MIT. Sadly, I don't remember if I asked him that, or if it popped up in some other conversations. No trace in my archives. "
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"body": "I believe you mean the AI and MC backups that were taken before they were shut down the last time. They are indeed just a snapshot of the systems at that point in time. Many programs are missing, and even more source code.\r\n\r\nThere were regular backups made since at least 1971, to 7-track tapes. When the 7-track drives started to fail, a selection of the tapes were taken to DEC's Manyard site and transferred to 9-track tapes. Later, the process repeated itself, and a selection of 9-track tapes were transferred to more modern media. Some tapes were unreadable and some were only incremental backups. The result now sits somewhere inside MIT's digital archives."
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"body": "Have you verified that ITS treats SYSEN3 as a system directory, making note on the console of writes to that dir? Just wanted to verify that ITS didn't have a hard coded list of directories that we needed to update (rather than code to treat any directory beginning with SYS as one) "
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"body": "ISTR I ran it on my 11/03, so maybe something non-basic snuck in.\nI couldn't find any EIS (ASH, ASHC, MUL, DIV) instructions....\n\np\n"
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"body": "No, I haven't. I didn't know ITS treated system directories differently."
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"body": "I suspect the ITS implementor \"did it right\" and just treated any directory that started with the three letters \"SYS\" as a system directory. Any time a program writes to these directories, a system message (see SYSMSG) is written to the operator console and stored in the SYSMSG log. The user performing the operation is identified (as the \"culprit\") to aid in tracking down unauthorized changes to the system (or aid in tracking down why something is found to be broken)."
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"body": "I tested it now, and you're right. I created files in various directories, and only those beginning with SYS triggered the console logging. Including SYSEN3."
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"body": "Great! I was hoping we didn't have to find a hardcoded list of directory names in the ITS sources and update that! "
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"body": "This appears to allow editing mail composed with :MAIL in EMACS. Not sure how to invoke this from :MAIL yet, though. Perhaps it is documented."
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"body": "Turns out, it is easy. Type <esc>E (<alt>E) from :MAIL and you will find yourself in MAILT (EMACS). Type Ctrl-C Ctrl-C to get back to MAIL."
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"body": "In some contexts, FC means File Computer. I.e. file server i modern speak."
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"body": "Can you add to the commit message, which archive the source comes from?"
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"body": "Can you add to the commit message, which archive the source comes from?"
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