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"body": "It seems @tuban has everything needed to run MAZE.\r\nhttp://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2016-April/020971.html"
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"body": "@gregt590 I have a file which begins like this\r\n\r\n TITLE MAZE.3 GREG THOMPSON (GAT) 04/11/74\r\n\r\n ; MAZE\r\n\r\n ; Maze is a experiment in 3 dimensional graphics and intertask\r\n ; teleconferencing. It is a hunt and seek game that can involve up to\r\n ; eight Imlacs. The Imlac user is placed in a 16 by 32 square maze and\r\n ; attempts to hunt down and destroy the other inhabitents of the maze (the\r\n ; other Imlac users) before they do the same to him. Each player is\r\n ; represented by his uname (1 through 8 characters) as he moves through the\r\n ; maze.\r\n\r\nMay I have your permission to publish this file?"
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"body": "Lars:\n\nBack in 1973 I developed an interactive debugger that ran on the Imlac that interpreted code while running implementing breakpoints, single stepping, displaying variables, etc. That is the only “Imlac emulator” I can think of. I don’t know where the code is any more.\n\nThanks for the pointer to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs. Looks like they are mainly implementing a Xerox Alto emulator however.\n\nI believe “www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>” is Tom Uban’s Imlac software collection. LinkedIn page is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46 <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46>. He is the owner of Figure Eight Brewing in the Chicago area. It was Tom’s Imlac that he shipped from Chicago to Mountain View for the Maze Wars 30 Year Retrospective <http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/index.html> event held Nov 7th at the Computer History Museum and on which we got the original Maze Wars running again. You can find pictures of his Imlac in my PowerPoint presentation <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy85H_k5_RAhUO1WMKHWodAOQQFgg0MAI&url=http://www.digibarn.com/collections/presentations/maze-war/The-aMazing-History-of-Maze.ppt&usg=AFQjCNHX_gzpUl00jq4TgzoQOOD96o8GvQ&sig2=Qbe23e62zCyg3q2ZDCA2pw> at slide 9.\n\nFeel free to publish or repost the source to the Imlac Maze War game source. It is already publicly posted off the Maze Wars wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War> hosted off one of my AWS S3 buckets. I have also collected Imlac PDS-1 software manuals, hardware schematics, and related background information I can post as well if you want.\n\n- Greg\n\n\nIn response to:\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 4:42 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@livingcomputermuseum <https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum> I understand you made a Imlac emulator. Would this be of interest to you?\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> thank you for the information!\nI found a copy of SSV at http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> I have a file which begins like this\nTITLE MAZE.3 GREG THOMPSON (GAT) 04/11/74\n\n; MAZE\n\n; Maze is a experiment in 3 dimensional graphics and intertask\n; teleconferencing. It is a hunt and seek game that can involve up to\n; eight Imlacs. The Imlac user is placed in a 16 by 32 square maze and\n; attempts to hunt down and destroy the other inhabitents of the maze (the\n; other Imlac users) before they do the same to him. Each player is\n; represented by his uname (1 through 8 characters) as he moves through the\n; maze.\nMay I have your permission to publish this file?\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269870041>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtttFz-XKXdudEhKocd9f6JMBz00PAks5rNnYsgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n"
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"body": "Interesting timing -- Living Computers: Museum+Labs recently acquired an Imlac PDS-1 and I've been working on getting MAZE running on it. Just before the holidays, I had it successfully running, and I'm working on implementing a full MAZE server (eventually we'd like to run the original ITS server code but that's a ways off).\n\nI've also been working on improving the Imlac emulator I wrote (sImlac, see here: http://rottedbits.blogspot.com/2013/07/simlac-v00-is-ready-for-human.html) and it's now running MAZE correctly as well. I'm hoping to have the real Imlac playing MazeWar against some simulated Imlacs in the not-too-distant future...\n\n- Josh\n\n\n________________________________\nFrom: Greg Thompson [notifications@github.com]\nSent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:03 PM\nTo: PDP-10/its\nCc: Josh Dersch; Mention\nSubject: Re: [PDP-10/its] MAZE - game (#236)\n\nLars:\n\nBack in 1973 I developed an interactive debugger that ran on the Imlac that interpreted code while running implementing breakpoints, single stepping, displaying variables, etc. That is the only “Imlac emulator” I can think of. I don’t know where the code is any more.\n\nThanks for the pointer to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs. Looks like they are mainly implementing a Xerox Alto emulator however.\n\nI believe “www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>” is Tom Uban’s Imlac software collection. LinkedIn page is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46 <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46>. He is the owner of Figure Eight Brewing in the Chicago area. It was Tom’s Imlac that he shipped from Chicago to Mountain View for the Maze Wars 30 Year Retrospective <http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/index.html> event held Nov 7th at the Computer History Museum and on which we got the original Maze Wars running again. You can find pictures of his Imlac in my PowerPoint presentation <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjy85H_k5_RAhUO1WMKHWodAOQQFgg0MAI&url=http://www.digibarn.com/collections/presentations/maze-war/The-aMazing-History-of-Maze.ppt&usg=AFQjCNHX_gzpUl00jq4TgzoQOOD96o8GvQ&sig2=Qbe23e62zCyg3q2ZDCA2pw> at slide 9.\n\nFeel free to publish or repost the source to the Imlac Maze War game source. It is already publicly posted off the Maze Wars wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War> hosted off one of my AWS S3 buckets. I have also collected Imlac PDS-1 software manuals, hardware schematics, and related background information I can post as well if you want.\n\n- Greg\n\n\nIn response to:\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 4:42 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@livingcomputermuseum <https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum> I understand you made a Imlac emulator. Would this be of interest to you?\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> thank you for the information!\nI found a copy of SSV at http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> I have a file which begins like this\nTITLE MAZE.3 GREG THOMPSON (GAT) 04/11/74\n\n; MAZE\n\n; Maze is a experiment in 3 dimensional graphics and intertask\n; teleconferencing. It is a hunt and seek game that can involve up to\n; eight Imlacs. The Imlac user is placed in a 16 by 32 square maze and\n; attempts to hunt down and destroy the other inhabitents of the maze (the\n; other Imlac users) before they do the same to him. Each player is\n; represented by his uname (1 through 8 characters) as he moves through the\n; maze.\nMay I have your permission to publish this file?\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269870041>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtttFz-XKXdudEhKocd9f6JMBz00PAks5rNnYsgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269879981>, or mute the thread<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATnJh9zgTkXlHQcHAlzsHVeM3vlkvsU7ks5rNrUEgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n"
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"body": "Josh:\n\nFor the DigiBarn Computer History Museum event in Nov 2004, Howard Palmer <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hepster> CCed above & currently a software developer at Stanford, wrote and got working a Maze server router on a laptop for the event. You might be able to get Maze server code from him if he still has it.\n\n- Greg\n\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Living Computers: Museum+Labs <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n\nInteresting timing -- Living Computers: Museum+Labs recently acquired an Imlac PDS-1 and I've been working on getting MAZE running on it. Just before the holidays, I had it successfully running, and I'm working on implementing a full MAZE server (eventually we'd like to run the original ITS server code but that's a ways off).\n\nI've also been working on improving the Imlac emulator I wrote (sImlac, see here: http://rottedbits.blogspot.com/2013/07/simlac-v00-is-ready-for-human.html) and it's now running MAZE correctly as well. I'm hoping to have the real Imlac playing MazeWar against some simulated Imlacs in the not-too-distant future...\n\n- Josh\n\n________________________________\nFrom: Greg Thompson [notifications@github.com]\nSent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:03 PM\nTo: PDP-10/its\nCc: Josh Dersch; Mention\nSubject: Re: [PDP-10/its] MAZE - game (#236)\n\nLars:\n\nBack in 1973 I developed an interactive debugger that ran on the Imlac that interpreted code while running implementing breakpoints, single stepping, displaying variables, etc. That is the only “Imlac emulator” I can think of. I don’t know where the code is any more.\n\nThanks for the pointer to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs. Looks like they are mainly implementing a Xerox Alto emulator however.\n\nI believe “www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>” is Tom Uban’s Imlac software collection. LinkedIn page is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46 <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46>. He is the owner of Figure Eight Brewing in the Chicago area. It was Tom’s Imlac that he shipped from Chicago to Mountain View for the Maze Wars 30 Year Retrospective <http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/index.html> event held Nov 7th 2004 at the Computer History Museum and on which we got the original Maze Wars running again. You can find pictures of his Imlac in my PowerPoint presentation at slide 9.\n\nFeel free to publish or repost the source to the Imlac Maze War game source. It is already publicly posted off the Maze Wars wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War> hosted off one of my AWS S3 buckets. I have also collected Imlac PDS-1 software manuals, hardware schematics, and related background information I can post as well if you want.\n\n- Greg\n\n\nIn response to:\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 4:42 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@livingcomputermuseum <https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum> \nI understand you made a Imlac emulator. Would this be of interest to you?\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> thank you for the information!\nI found a copy of SSV at http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> I have a file which begins like this\nTITLE MAZE.3 GREG THOMPSON (GAT) 04/11/74\n\n; MAZE\n\n; Maze is a experiment in 3 dimensional graphics and intertask\n; teleconferencing. It is a hunt and seek game that can involve up to\n; eight Imlacs. The Imlac user is placed in a 16 by 32 square maze and\n; attempts to hunt down and destroy the other inhabitents of the maze (the\n; other Imlac users) before they do the same to him. Each player is\n; represented by his uname (1 through 8 characters) as he moves through the\n; maze.\nMay I have your permission to publish this file?\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269870041>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtttFz-XKXdudEhKocd9f6JMBz00PAks5rNnYsgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269879981>, or mute the thread<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATnJh9zgTkXlHQcHAlzsHVeM3vlkvsU7ks5rNrUEgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269890582>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUttv277cTZA8woYkasQ0kVB1ooRz_oks5rNxfGgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n"
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You might be able to get Maze \n> server code from him if he still has it.\n>\n> - Greg\n>\n>\n> On Dec 31, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Living Computers: Museum+Labs \n> <notifications@github.com <mailto:notifications@github.com>> wrote:\n>\n> Interesting timing -- Living Computers: Museum+Labs recently acquired \n> an Imlac PDS-1 and I've been working on getting MAZE running on it. \n> Just before the holidays, I had it successfully running, and I'm \n> working on implementing a full MAZE server (eventually we'd like to \n> run the original ITS server code but that's a ways off).\n>\n> I've also been working on improving the Imlac emulator I wrote \n> (sImlac, see here: \n> http://rottedbits.blogspot.com/2013/07/simlac-v00-is-ready-for-human.html) \n> and it's now running MAZE correctly as well. I'm hoping to have the \n> real Imlac playing MazeWar against some simulated Imlacs in the \n> not-too-distant future...\n>\n> - Josh\n>\n> ________________________________\n> From: Greg Thompson [notifications@github.com \n> <mailto:notifications@github.com>]\n> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:03 PM\n> To: PDP-10/its\n> Cc: Josh Dersch; Mention\n> Subject: Re: [PDP-10/its] MAZE - game (#236)\n>\n> Lars:\n>\n> Back in 1973 I developed an interactive debugger that ran on the Imlac \n> that interpreted code while running implementing breakpoints, single \n> stepping, displaying variables, etc. That is the only “Imlac emulator” \n> I can think of. I don’t know where the code is any more.\n>\n> Thanks for the pointer to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs. Looks \n> like they are mainly implementing a Xerox Alto emulator however.\n>\n> I believe “www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html \n> <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html> \n> <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>” is Tom Uban’s Imlac \n> software collection. LinkedIn page is at \n> https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46 \n> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-uban-113b46>. He is the owner of \n> Figure Eight Brewing in the Chicago area. It was Tom’s Imlac that he \n> shipped from Chicago to Mountain View for the Maze Wars 30 Year \n> Retrospective \n> <http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/index.html> event \n> held Nov 7th 2004 at the Computer History Museum and on which we got \n> the original Maze Wars running again. You can find pictures of his \n> Imlac in my PowerPoint presentation at slide 9.\n>\n> Feel free to publish or repost the source to the Imlac Maze War game \n> source. It is already publicly posted off the Maze Wars wikipedia page \n> at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War \n> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War> hosted off one of my AWS S3 \n> buckets. I have also collected Imlac PDS-1 software manuals, hardware \n> schematics, and related background information I can post as well if \n> you want.\n>\n> - Greg\n>\n>\n> In response to:\n> On Dec 31, 2016, at 4:42 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com \n> <mailto:notifications@github.com>> wrote:\n> @livingcomputermuseum <https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum>\n> I understand you made a Imlac emulator. Would this be of interest to you?\n>\n> On Dec 31, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com \n> <mailto:notifications@github.com>> wrote:\n> @gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> thank you for the information!\n> I found a copy of SSV at http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html \n> <http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html>\n>\n> On Dec 31, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com \n> <mailto:notifications@github.com>> wrote:\n> @gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> I have a file which begins \n> like this\n> TITLE MAZE.3 GREG THOMPSON (GAT) 04/11/74\n>\n> ; MAZE\n>\n> ; Maze is a experiment in 3 dimensional graphics and intertask\n> ; teleconferencing. It is a hunt and seek game that can involve up to\n> ; eight Imlacs. The Imlac user is placed in a 16 by 32 square maze and\n> ; attempts to hunt down and destroy the other inhabitents of the maze (the\n> ; other Imlac users) before they do the same to him. Each player is\n> ; represented by his uname (1 through 8 characters) as he moves \n> through the\n> ; maze.\n> May I have your permission to publish this file?\n>\n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub \n> <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269870041>, or \n> mute the thread \n> <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtttFz-XKXdudEhKocd9f6JMBz00PAks5rNnYsgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n>\n>\n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on \n> GitHub<https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269879981>, \n> or mute the \n> thread<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATnJh9zgTkXlHQcHAlzsHVeM3vlkvsU7ks5rNrUEgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n>\n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub \n> <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269890582>, or \n> mute the thread \n> <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUttv277cTZA8woYkasQ0kVB1ooRz_oks5rNxfGgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n>\n>\n\n"
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"body": "@livingcomputermuseum I'd be interested in getting the ITS server running. The real machines were connected with a serial line, right? It should not be too hard to connect emulated machines in a similar manner."
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"body": "New information: If I insert a ^R before or after the call to Dump Environment, I can see the error message\r\n\r\n Info Enter Undefined or ambiguous function name?\r\n\r\nI'm not sure if that's harmless, or something that interferes with the dumping or loading of INFO."
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"body": "Can you find that function anywhere? Sounds like that is the function that would start up Info"
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"body": "Sorry, it was caused by me inserting ^R in the wrong places. The ^R triggered the FS ^R Enter hook, which caused the code in INFO EMACS to be run prematurely. Info Enter is defined in the INFO library, but it's not loaded until the dumped INFO runs."
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"body": "Lars:\n\nYes, it used a serial connection between the PDP-10 at MIT Project MAC (or the IBM 1800 at NASA/Ames) and the Imlacs. In fact you will find references to Imlacs and computer to Imlac communications in the early RFCs (including 86, 101, 126, 164, 174, 177, 190, 191, 249, 282, 314, 321, 372, 373, 398, 472, 549, 553, 559, 900, ...) available at:\nhttps://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html>\n\nRFC 86 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc86> - Proposal for a Network Standard Format for a Data Stream to Control Graphics Display, Jan 1971\nRFC 101 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc101> - Notes on the Network Working Group meeting, Urbana, Illinois, February 17, 1971\nRFC 126 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc126> - Graphics Facilities at Ames Research Center\nRFC 164 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc164> - Minutes of Network Working Group meeting, 5/16 through 5/19/71\nRFC 174 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc174> - UCLA-Computer Science Graphics Overview\nRFC 177 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc177> - Device independent graphical display description, June 1971\nRFC 190 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc190> - DEC PDP-10-IMLAC communication system\nRFC 191 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc191> - Graphics implementation and conceptualization at Augmentation Research Center, July 1971\nRFC 249 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc249> - Coordination of equipment and supplies purchase, Oct 1971\nRFC 282 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc282> - Graphics meeting report, Dec 1971\nRFC 314 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc314> - Graphics meeting report, March 1972\nRFC 321 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc321> - CBI Networking Activity at MITRE, March 1972\nRFC 372 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc372> - Notes on a Conversation with Bob Kahn on the ICCC, July 1972\nRFC 398 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc398> - UCSB Online Graphics, Sept 1972\n...\n\nYou can find details on the Imlac hardware configuration options the Auerbach report on IMLAC Corp from 1972 I scanned in and posted at: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tmmeng/Maze/Auerbach_Imlac_report.zip <https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tmmeng/Maze/Auerbach_Imlac_report.zip>\n\nIn fact I have a fair amount of information on Mazewar and Imlacs collected and posted at:\nhttps://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tmmeng/Maze/ <https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/tmmeng/Maze/>\n\nThe available files are:\nGregs-Mac:~ Greg$ aws s3 ls s3://tmmeng/Maze/\n2017-01-01 10:59:03 15280 20031124_Imlac_PDS_1.txt\n2017-01-01 11:22:41 1580803 Auerbach_Imlac_report.zip\n2015-11-06 14:55:41 31981117 Hardware_Maze_Game_Boards.pdf\n2015-11-06 14:55:41 43731578 Hardware_Maze_Game_Report.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:35:59 620033 IMLAC_PDS-1_OPTIONS_DESC_030871.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:36:04 497100 IMLAC_Users_Forum_Vol1.3_110171.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:35:52 637757 IMLAC_Users_Forum_Vol2.1_040172.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:34:54 733063 Imlac Programming Card.zip\n2016-12-31 11:50:08 31793 MIDAS_ARC.txt\n2016-12-31 11:50:08 164082 MIDAS_INFO.txt\n2016-12-31 11:50:10 28756 MIT-DM.txt\n2017-01-01 11:14:17 501171 MIT_lcs75.zip\n2015-11-06 14:55:41 66266 Mazewar-Imlac-asm.txt\n2015-11-06 14:55:41 114358 Mazewar-Imlac-listing.txt\n2017-01-01 11:30:07 34615 Mazewar_DEC.c\n2017-01-01 11:29:46 7559 Mazewar_DEC.h\n2017-01-01 11:34:42 3446 Mazewar_DEC.man\n2017-01-01 11:25:44 217938 Mazewar_Nov7_2004.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:56:05 3752873 NASA_Ames_History_1969-1989.pdf\n2017-01-01 11:21:05 6088070 Oracle_Interop_Maze.zip\n2016-12-31 11:50:16 102824 PDP-10_INFO.txt\n2016-12-31 11:33:35 3035651 PDS-1D_ProgrammingGuide.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:33:09 6897975 PDS-1D_Schematics.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:32:41 14028582 PDS-1_Schematics.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:33:25 3380958 PDS-1_TechnicalMan.pdf\n2016-12-31 11:46:29 336497 PDS-4 Programming Card 1.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:46:30 625108 PDS-4 Programming Card 1c.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:46:31 460010 PDS-4 Programming Card 2.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:46:32 798163 PDS-4 Programming Card 2c.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:46:33 488771 PDS-4 Programming Card 3c.jpg\n2016-12-31 11:46:34 467620 PDS-4 Programming Card 4c.jpg\n2017-01-01 11:12:35 2265 RFC126_Ames_Graphics_Lab.txt\n2017-01-01 11:43:04 89 Terra Nova BLOG.url\n2017-01-01 11:27:11 4502016 The_aMazing_History_of_Maze.ppt\n\n- Greg\n\n-------------------------------\nGreg Thompson\ni-GATE Venture Advisor <http://www.igateihub.org/>\nThompson Multimedia Engineering <http://www.tmmeng.com/>\nLivermore, CA 94550-4333\nMobile phone: +1-925-321-6146\nPrivate e-mail: gregt@alum.mit.edu <mailto:gregt@alum.mit.edu>\nLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/grthomps <http://www.linkedin.com/in/grthomps>\n\n\nIn response to:\nOn Jan 1, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n@livingcomputermuseum <https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum> I'd be interested in getting the ITS server running. The real machines were connected with a serial line, right? It should not be too hard to connect emulated machines in a similar manner.\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269895321>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUttqjdlDSjQqAiJBG7iynJ6V_9V1gEks5rN17wgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n"
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"body": "Well, it is a DEC-20 assembler manual -- isn't the instruction set sufficiently different from that of a KS-10 that it might be confusing?"
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"body": "I think the user instruction set is almost identical. There are probably differences between MACRO-10/20 and MIDAS."
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"body": "No. It's in the same category as ADVENT, DUNGEON, and Empire. Those would be add-ons beyond what the original ITS provided."
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"body": "ADVENT and DUNGEON did run on ITS. We just don’t have the executables/sources. I don’t think MUD ever ran on ITS.\n\n> On Jan 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> No. It's in the same category as ADVENT, DUNGEON, and Empire. Those would be add-ons beyond what the original ITS provided.\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you commented.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/390#issuecomment-269996471>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA0-Y795RlFgTTx9B8oSOfNksSstzBhqks5rOSysgaJpZM4LYUy3>.\n> \n\n"
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"body": "Ok, I was wrong about ADVENT and DUNGEON.\r\n\r\nMy thinking is that people may want to run the classic PDP-10 games. Some were developed in ITS (CHESS, ZORK). Some came from outside ITS, but were developed further (MAZE, SPCWAR). Some were mostly just ported to ITS (I believe this is the case with ADVENT and DUNGEON). And some never ran in ITS (MUD, DUNNET, EMPIRE)."
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"body": "I couldn't find the lisp source files anywhere. Do they still exist?"
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"body": "Do you have a list of the files you are looking for?\r\n\r\nIn general, all the source files for MACLISP live in L;, LSPRC;, COMLAP; and NILCOM;. "
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"body": "I wonder where the fasl files in LISP come from. Unfortunately I don't know too much about ITS."
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"body": "Sorry, those source files are not in here yet. I suppose Eric will be working on that."
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"body": "Yes, I'm working on it.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:32, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> Sorry, those source files are not in here yet. I suppose Eric will be working on that.\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you authored the thread.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "AI Memo 118 describes how to use MACDMP to load programs from tape into the PDP-6.\r\n\r\n@aap We still have MACDMP, although it fell by the wayside. It spawned DSKDMP which is is now used to boot ITS from disk."
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"body": "Contact Bjorn Victor; he will know. UP has some hacks for rendering PIC files as SVG."
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"body": "It must have been the processing of those 9 tracks that I remember being mentioned then. "
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"body": "I found a WUMPUS.MID on a TOPS-20 tape, but it's written for... you guessed it, TOPS-20."
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"body": "Oh, I case anyone want to dig around, these are the four tape images: \r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_1_19910112.tap.bz2 \r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_2_19910112.tap.bz2 \r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_3_19910112.tap.bz2 \r\nhttp://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_SRC_4_19910112.tap.bz2\r\n\r\nThey are TOPS-20 DUMPER tapes, so read them with tools/tapeutils/read20."
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"body": "FAIL BIN tries to open the file SYS: TS DEC."
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"body": "Fixing that gives me a FAIL REL. But loading that into STINK doesn't work. Wrong REL format?"
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"body": "No, just wrong input to STINK. This works better:\r\n\r\n M sail; fail rel$L$$\r\n M sail; fail nbin$Y$$\r\n\r\nBut running the resulting FAIL NBIN fails:\r\n\r\n IOCERROR: - CHANNEL NOT OPEN\r\n CHNL NOT OPEN\r\n CORINI+1>>APRENB DEV, M/ 0"
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"body": "Assembling FAIL needs SAIL; STKTRN 39 which is missing. I have reconstructed it by disassembling SAIL; FAIL BIN. #188\r\n\r\nIt also needs SAIL; JOBDAT REL which has no source in the ITS dumps. But there is a JOBDAT.MAC in the SRI-NIC dump. #399\r\n\r\nEDIT: \r\nSAIL; JOBDAT 16 \r\nSAIL; STKTRN 39\r\n\r\nEDIT: Both found. \r\nEDIT: #660, #667 "
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"body": "Linking a new binary with JOBDAT REL, STKTRN REL, and FAIL REL still don't work.\r\n\r\nI believe we also need to merge in DECUUO. Not sure exactly how. There are some hints in DRAW; D INFO."
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"body": "Running `:dec sail;fail bin /sail` seems to work as far as starting to assemble a file. But it runs into trouble when it runs:\r\n\r\n Assembler error: Unexpected ILL MEM REF. at user PC = 24277\r\n FAIL FAI , PAGE 4, LINE 54"
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"body": "Don't know what the trouble was. The new FAIL can assemble itself into a new FAIL REL.\r\n\r\nHowever, STINK doesn't accept this FAIL REL. Maybe something wrong with STKTRN, because that's supposed to translate from FAIL's REL format to the STINK format."
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"body": ".INFO.; ARDS INFO\r\n"
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"body": "I don't understand from these instructions when GAPLFS$G should be used. But from reading the code, PURIFY$G does dump to DECYSYS; TS DEC, so that's what I'm going to do.\r\n\r\n@eswenson1 Do you have any insights?"
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"body": "Ok, The instructions suggest that you should use GAPFLS$G to compress the image (flushing zero pages) before the dump. Did you try that? It seems to set up a :PDUMP command line with no arguments (unlike PURIFY$G), so I'm not sure where you are supposed to dump out the image when you use GAPFLS$G. I guess once you've done this, we can see if it works and play around with GAPFLS$G to see if things are better/worse/no different. "
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"body": "Why do you provide the \"TS DEC\" on the :PDUMP command line (in the script)? The code seems to suggest that this is the default, no? "
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"body": "> Why do you provide the \"TS DEC\" on the :PDUMP command line (in the script)?\r\n\r\nI don't provide it, it's the trigger string for the \"\\r\"."
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"body": "This may be a problem with SIMH. @eswenson1, have you noticed this using KLH10?"
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"body": "No, I've never had any issues with either ^N or $^N. When I get a chance, I'll try out your specific example. "
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"body": "I just tried to assemble and debug your SIMPLE program on ES-ITS. I had no trouble stepping with ^N or $^N. "
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"body": "I see this too in SIMH, so now I'm fairly certain it's a SIMH bug. I'll try it in the latest SIMH to see if it's a fixed bug.\r\n\r\n$^N works in SIMH, so it's a problem with 1-proceed."
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"body": "I forgot to say, ES-ITS uses KLH10. Also, it wasn't built using the DB build, so it is still possible that a DB-built version on KLH10 would fail -- except that I've debugged many, many issues on DB ITS (under KLH10) with no problems. And I use a combination of ^N and $^N so I'm pretty confident that KLH10 supports all this fine. I never use SIMH because it doesn't support the network."
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"body": "The build went fine in Travis CI: \r\nhttps://travis-ci.org/PDP-10/its/jobs/190050150#L3923\r\n\r\nRunning COMSAT RFINIT needs networking, so I'm guessing there is a problem in that area. I don't know if it's a problem with KLH10 configuration, or your host system.\r\n\r\nSIMH skips this part, because we don't support networking with that emulator."
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"body": "Both Eric and I use Linux to run the emulators. I don't know how well KLH10 supports FreeBSD."
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"body": "This does not bomb for me under KLH10 under Ubuntu Linux. It seems COMSAT isn't initializing properly in your environment. "
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"body": "I'm running on ubuntu here - i'll investigate networking and see what's going on."
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"body": "UP probably appeared in 2004 (June?). Yikes, that's a long time ago."
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"body": "The new purified DECUUO seems to work better with the bootstrap. I can now merge the bootstrap into the binary, and run it like a regular ITS program."
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"body": "What info do you want? (See up.update.uu.se/up.html for hardware info?)"
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"body": "Trying 10.12.3.10...\r\nConnected to 10.12.3.10.\r\nEscape character is '^]'.\r\nDB-ITS\r\n\r\nDB ITS.1647. DDT.1546.\r\nTTY 11\r\n2. Lusers, Fair Share = 98%\r\n\r\nITS is up - but still bombing on COMSAT init\r\n\r\n.VAL 0; DEATHV+2>>JRST DEATHV+1\r\n LOGIN 11TLNT 0 005001 13:16:41\r\n LOGOUT ___006 11 13:17:02\r\n LOGIN 11TLNT 0 005001 13:17:02\r\ninvalid command name \"abort\"\r\n while executing\r\n\"abort\"\r\n invoked from within"
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"body": "I suppose mostly just the year it started running, but you already provided that."
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"body": "Did you make sure to update all the places where the IP address must be set correctly? It is best to try this where the ip address of the machine is 192.168.1.100 (or whatever I have the IP address set to). Otherwise, you have to patch/update a bunch of places.\r\n\r\nMy guess is that while you've told KLH10 where machine is (in the INI file), ITS thinks it is at a different place. They all have to match."
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"body": "Bah! I missed SYSHST; H3TEXT"
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"body": "So @larsbrinkhoff labels this as a bug. If one of the exiting parties to this discussion doesn't want to dig into the simulator to fix it, then please provide:\r\n1) sim> SHOW VERSION output for the failing simulator\r\n2) a simulator configuration file which reflects a minimal configuration that demonstrates the problem\r\n3) critical data files (i.e. disk image, etc.) necessary to reproduce the problem\r\n4) precise instructions to get to the point which demonstrates the failure.\r\n5) the expected behavior which currently isn't being achieved.\r\n\r\nThanks."
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"body": "Right. I tested with klh10 yesterday and indeed did not experience this issue, so I cross-posted this issue to the simh repo: https://github.com/simh/simh/issues/373\r\nWhen I get home I will provide the info you asked for on the simh issue page.\r\n\r\nUntil simh is fixed I think we should leave this issue open."
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"body": "Quick check: `show version` says\r\n\r\n PDP-10 simulator V3.8-1 [64b data, 32b addresses, Ethernet support]\r\n\r\nI looked into the SIMH git log, and didn't find any comments about ITS 1-proceed since it was implemented in 2001."
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"body": "I also tested SIMH built from GitHub today. Same problem. `show version`:\r\n\r\n PDP-10 simulator V4.0-0 Beta\r\n Simulator Framework Capabilities:\r\n 64b data\r\n 32b addresses\r\n Ethernet Packet transports:TAP:NAT:UDP\r\n Idle/Throttling support is available\r\n Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) support\r\n RAW disk and CD/DVD ROM support\r\n Asynchronous I/O support\r\n FrontPanel API Version 2\r\n Host Platform:\r\n Compiler: GCC 4.8.4\r\n Simulator Compiled as C arch: x64 (Release Build) on Nov 8 2016 at 12:51:38\r\n Memory Access: Little Endian\r\n Memory Pointer Size: 64 bits\r\n Large File (>2GB) support\r\n SDL Video support: No Video Support\r\n PCRE RegEx support for EXPECT commands\r\n OS clock resolution: 1ms\r\n Time taken by msleep(1): 2ms\r\n OS: Linux delphi 4.4.0-53-generic #74~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 03:43:31 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux\r\n git commit id: $Format:\r\n"
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"body": "Hmmm.... I would expect to see the git commit id: $Format to reflect the current commit.\r\n\r\nHow did you pick up the github version? and how did you build it? "
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"body": "I believe the exact steps were:\r\n\r\n git clone https://github.com/simh/simh\r\n cd simh\r\n make pdp10\r\n\r\nThen I ran `BIN/pdp10`."
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"body": "The commit id is 0461008991aa12bd677bf448809fe214be13d8d9\r\n"
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"body": "I believed you about it being current. I'm still wondering how the commit id didn't get into the binary.\r\n\r\nWhen I do exactly what you said, I get the commit id:\r\n\r\n mark@mark-VirtualBox:~$ git clone https://github.com/simh/simh\r\n Cloning into 'simh'...\r\n remote: Counting objects: 19814, done.\r\n remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10/10), done.\r\n remote: Total 19814 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 19804\r\n Receiving objects: 100% (19814/19814), 29.78 MiB | 6.96 MiB/s, done.\r\n Resolving deltas: 100% (15592/15592), done.\r\n Checking connectivity... done.\r\n mark@mark-VirtualBox:~$ cd simh\r\n mark@mark-VirtualBox:~/simh$ make pdp10\r\n *** Installing git hooks in local repository ***\r\n lib paths are: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfakeroot/ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa-egl/ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/\r\n include paths are: /usr/include\r\n using libm: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so\r\n using librt: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so\r\n using libpthread: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so /usr/include/pthread.h\r\n using libpcreposix: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcreposix.so /usr/include/pcreposix.h\r\n using libdl: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so /usr/include/dlfcn.h\r\n using libpcap: /usr/include/pcap.h\r\n *** Info ***\r\n *** Info *** pdp10 Simulator are being built with\r\n *** Info *** minimal libpcap networking support\r\n *** Info ***\r\n *** Info ***\r\n *** Info *** Simulators on your Linux platform can also be built with\r\n *** Info *** extended LAN Ethernet networking support by using VDE Ethernet.\r\n *** Info ***\r\n *** Info *** To build simulator(s) with extended networking support you\r\n *** Info *** should install the vde2 package to provide this\r\n *** Info *** functionality for your Linux system:\r\n *** Info *** $ sudo apt-get install libvdeplug-dev\r\n *** Info ***\r\n ***\r\n *** pdp10 Simulator being built with:\r\n *** - compiler optimizations and no debugging support. GCC Version: 5.4.0.\r\n *** - dynamic networking support using Linux provided libpcap components.\r\n *** - Local LAN packet transports: PCAP TAP NAT(SLiRP)\r\n ***\r\n *** git commit id is 0461008991aa12bd677bf448809fe214be13d8d9.\r\n ***\r\n mkdir -p BIN\r\n gcc -std=gnu99 -U__STRICT_ANSI__ -O2 -finline-functions -fgcse-after-reload -fpredictive-commoning -fipa-cp-clone -fno-unsafe-loop-optimizations -fno-strict-overflow -Wno-unused-result -DSIM_GIT_COMMIT_ID=0461008991aa12bd677bf448809fe214be13d8d9 -DSIM_COMPILER=\"GCC Version: 5.4.0\" -I . -D_GNU_SOURCE -DUSE_READER_THREAD -DSIM_ASYNCH_IO -DHAVE_PCREPOSIX_H -DHAVE_DLOPEN=so -DHAVE_GLOB PDP10/pdp10_fe.c PDP11/pdp11_dz.c PDP10/pdp10_cpu.c PDP10/pdp10_ksio.c PDP10/pdp10_lp20.c PDP10/pdp10_mdfp.c PDP10/pdp10_pag.c PDP10/pdp10_rp.c PDP10/pdp10_sys.c PDP10/pdp10_tim.c PDP10/pdp10_tu.c PDP10/pdp10_xtnd.c PDP11/pdp11_pt.c PDP11/pdp11_ry.c PDP11/pdp11_cr.c PDP11/pdp11_dup.c PDP11/pdp11_dmc.c PDP11/pdp11_kmc.c PDP11/pdp11_xu.c scp.c sim_console.c sim_fio.c sim_timer.c sim_sock.c sim_tmxr.c sim_ether.c sim_tape.c sim_disk.c sim_serial.c sim_video.c sim_imd.c sim_card.c -DVM_PDP10 -DUSE_INT64 -I PDP10 -I PDP11 -DHAVE_PCAP_NETWORK -I/usr/include/ -DBPF_CONST_STRING -DUSE_SHARED -DHAVE_TAP_NETWORK -Islirp -Islirp_glue -Islirp_glue/qemu -DHAVE_SLIRP_NETWORK -DUSE_SIMH_SLIRP_DEBUG slirp/*.c slirp_glue/*.c -o BIN/pdp10 -lm -lrt -lpthread -lpcreposix -ldl \r\n mark@mark-VirtualBox:~/simh$ BIN/pdp10\r\n s\r\n PDP-10 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: 04610089\r\n sim> \r\n"
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"body": "Scrutinizing the new STKTRN.\r\n\r\n- STSYM2 seems wrong.\r\n- There was a STGLHF symbol = STLCL+6."
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"body": "ISTR the versions of FORTRAN-10 (and perhaps its predicessor F40) in\nITS DECSYS; were ANCIENT (perhaps V1 of F10? I worked on versions 7\n(FORTRAN-77) & 10 (octal, dontcha know! -- Extended Addressing))\n\nI have a hard time ingaining anything in DECSYS would have been built\nfrom source, or if it had, that the sources were hanging around. It\nwas pretty much, by definition, \"dusty stuff from DEC\"\n\nphil\n\n"
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"body": "No, he didn't say either way."
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"body": "See b9715951c04be8b53fda42f8dc7312d90cae9d38 for how to use the bootstrap in a program.\r\n\r\nYou can also patch location 56 to enter flags which will affect how DECUUO runs."
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"body": "> Needed to build DEC software\r\n\r\nNote: we now have FAIL which, I believe, is compatible with MACRO-10."
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"body": "@philbudne \r\n> ISTR the versions of FORTRAN-10 (and perhaps its predicessor F40) in ITS DECSYS; were ANCIENT\r\n\r\nThe FORTRAN files are dated 1976. F10.HLP says it's from 1973! Is there a way to check the versions in the binary files?\r\n\r\n> I have a hard time ingaining anything in DECSYS would have been built from source, or if it had, that the sources were hanging around.\r\n\r\nRight, I see no FORTRAN source here. But I have a desire to build as much as possible from source, and if the ITS binaries are outdated, all the more reason to get newer versions. (There's a tension here between software preservation versus software restoration.)\r\n\r\nSomewhat ironically, FORTRAN would mostly be needed to install games."
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"body": "With the right files in DECSYS, running `:DEC SYS:X` works for these values of X:\r\n\r\n- F10\r\n- F40\r\n- FORTRA\r\n\r\nAt least they output a * prompt."
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"body": "With DECSYS; MACRO SHR installed, running `:dec sys:macro` gets to the * prompt."
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"body": "So, can we close this?"
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"body": "Sorry - fixed networking and it still failed.\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\n> On Jan 10, 2017, at 12:21, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> So, can we close this?\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you authored the thread.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "Any way you can use the default, configured ip address first to make sure that works? Then, we can try to track down where you haven't updated the ip address correctly? -- Eric"
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"body": "Oh, I forgot. Should I bump the version numbers? For ITS, I'd like to accumulate more changes before doing that."
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"body": "There's a .CALL called NETRFC - Get pending Request For Connection."
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"body": "Sorry, I messed up here. Please ignore the JOBDAT commits."
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"body": "There are plenty versions of JOBDAT.MAC: DEC tapes, SRI-NIC backup, SailDart. But they all look somewhat complex.\r\n\r\nI used STINK to make a binary from SAIL; JOBDAT REL. Then I disassembled it and wrote this much simpler version."
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