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"body": "In PI distribution, source is in SYSENG; CREATE 72, not SYSEN2."
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"body": "If you use PLAN rather than CREATE, you get the file <hsname>;<hsname> PLAN created by default rather than <hsname>;<hsname> >. "
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"body": "Also requires JSF; STNDRD MACROS, which appears to be missing.\r\n\r\nLooks like SYSENG;JSF MACROS works fine instead."
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"body": "JSF; STNDRD MACROS is missing. It is needed to build PRUFD.\r\n\r\nI did find SYSENG;JSF MACROS, which might be the same. "
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"body": "This will require debugging. It does a .VAL 0 when run on DB. I'll look into it.\r\n\r\nLooks like you have to patch NLINKS+14 to reference the TTY device rather than the LPT device. The version on PI appears patched. "
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"body": "Can you make a new issue that there's room for improvement?"
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"body": "Are those legal file name syntax? I'd never guess. "
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"body": "So output went to a printer in the original? Can you make a new issue about that?"
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"body": "Ok. I'll redo. However, you realize it won't run without the patch, right?"
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"body": "Yes. Will do.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On Dec 9, 2016, at 21:35, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> So output went to a printer in the original? Can you make a new issue about that?\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were assigned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "No. sorry, github ate half of the characters. It creates ejs;ejs plan, when jname is plan. Creates ejs; ejs > when jname is create -- assuming the hsname is ejs."
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"body": "You can have two commits in this pull request. The first with unchanged files, the second with the fix. That way, it will work when the pull request is merged."
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"body": "Ok. Will do.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On Dec 9, 2016, at 23:16, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> You can have two commits in this pull request. The first with unchanged files, the second with the fix. That way, it will work when the pull request is merged.\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you commented.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "Fixed in #45."
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"body": "Looks like you already resolved conflicts and merged. Thanks."
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"body": "If you like, you can add new programs somewhere in the middle of `build.tcl`. I usually try to find a section with similar programs. That way, it's less likely there will be a merge conflict."
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"body": "I tried `homebrew install expect`, but got\r\n\r\n Error: No available formula with the name \"expect\""
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"body": "There are now two commits. The first just builds PRUFD from sources. The second patches it to use TTY: rather than LPT: I entered #195 for the second commit. #101 is for the first commit."
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"body": "It looks like 45P is a assembly-time constant rather than a memory location in the image. Therefore, it is not generally possible to change this post-assemble, since that constant could be used to conditionally assemble very different code. I haven't looked to see all the places where this constant is actually used -- if only trivial changes results from setting this one way or the other, those affected memory locations could be patched. On the other hand, perhaps it is better to query for the value of that constant at assembly time so that the same source can be assembled into two separate binaries."
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"body": "@larsbrinkhoff This build failed on Travis for KLH10 due to exceeding timeout during tape load of sources.tape. So I \"fixed\" it by increasing the timeout. Hope that was ok."
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"body": "Right, good idea, and consistent with what other programs do."
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"body": "> I \"fixed\" it by increasing the timeout. Hope that was ok.\r\n\r\nPerfectly fine. Next time, prehaps double it."
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"body": "Sent a few lines to alt.sys.pdp10, classiccmp, and the simh mailing list."
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"body": "## Usage\r\n\r\nTo build this repository, you need some tools installed: make, C compiler, and expect. Also, if you plan to use the SIMH emulator, that needs to be installed as `pdp10`. The KLH10 emulator is built from source code. Ensure all submodules are checked out, and then type `make EMULATOR=simh` or `make EMULATOR=klh10`. This will leave built files in the `out` directory, one of which is a disk image with ITS installed.\r\n\r\nTo start ITS, either type `pdp10 build/simh/boot`, or `(cd build/klh10; sudo kn10-ks-its dskdmp.ini)`. Eventually, you will see `SYSTEM JOB USING CONSOLE`. You are now ready to log in, so type Control-Z. See doc/DDT.md for a list of useful commands. When done, you shut down by typing `:lock` and then `5down`.\r\n\r\nHere is an overview of the repository:\r\n- bin - PDP-10 binary files necessary to bootstrap the system.\r\n- build - build scripts.\r\n- doc - documentation, most of which appear in the INFO system.\r\n- src - source code for ITS and all programs.\r\n- tools - build tools.\r\n- out - build output.\r\n- user - optional user files installed in ITS.\r\n\r\nTo install your personal user files, add a subdirectory under `user` with your files inside. They will be copied to ITS."
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"body": "For some reason, I now get a lot of MFDCLB in DSKDMP."
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"body": "This won't do. I'll have to change the usage instructions instead.\r\n\r\nIn my experience KLH10 is more finicky like this than SIMH."
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"body": "I have a server up running decwar if anyone wants to try it etc."
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"body": "Thanks @drforbin, I'd like that. Also, have you built it from source?"
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"body": "@larsbrinkhoff Do you have any old-format archives I can try this out on?"
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"body": "I think one in RMS' directory was of the old flavor."
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"body": "Very cool. When you are debugging another application, if you are sitting on a .call instruction in DDT, you can type :calprt and it will decode the parameter block of the .call."
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"body": "This may not be very helpful. It appears to only support HOSTS2-format host tables. We're using the HOST3 format."
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"body": "OK. You can telnet into it. I'll set you up an account if you wish.\r\nAs for source compile yes.\r\nThe background is thus. CompuServe which ran a time share service during the late 80's used decSystem-10's, but their version of tops-10 was altered from standard DEC version.\r\nDecwar was written at UT Austin and ported over to CIS mainframes. The version of DECwar released, only version of source code known to exist will not run under standard tops-10.\r\nThe version you see on github is my version which WILL run and compile on standard tops-10.\r\nIt required me to reverse engineer the CIS version and make 30k+ edits to get it to work.\r\nMostly the problem was CIS UUO's (system calls) which are not standard DEC.\r\n\r\nAnyway that is short version of history.\r\nIf you wish to discuss further etc\r\nmy email is\r\ndrforbin6@gmail.com "
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"body": "This errors out due to a missing SYS: :MSGS TIMES file. I'm not sure, yet, how this file is created, but I'll dig in and try to figure it out. This file exists in my PI distribution as a binary file. So some daemon must have created it."
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"body": "Apparently, this file keeps track of the last message a user has viewed. It is managed by the MSGS library (syseng; msgs 47). It is used by GMSGS and the :MSGS DDT command."
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"body": "Wow, I didn't know it was so much work to get it running in TOPS-10. Thank you for your effort!"
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"body": "Your welcome. Alot of the edits are posted on github but not all. \r\nWhich is to say I migrated the code over to github once some of the changes were alrdy done.\r\nBut the difference between to original CIS version which is based on UT version and my version is quite dramatic. Alot of the changes were in WARMAC.mac which is a mac-10 assembly lang file. "
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"body": "Oh. by the way ALL of the changes are commented. with the original code left in place.\r\nSo if you download the repository and peroose through it you will be able to see ALL the changes. "
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"body": "I have not yet figured out how to get the file SYS;:MSGS TIMES created. The MSGS library just maps it in -- doesn't create it. I haven't found any source file yet that creates this file. Creating an empty file doesn't work (DDT reports a DDT bug if it encounters an empty file). I may have to reverse engineer the format of this file in order to create a dummy one. Still digging."
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"body": "I tried creating a file with a single byte in it, so that the page occupied one page. This allows msgs\"mapmsg to work. The first time someone does a :msgs command, the file is rewritten to be correctly formatted. So I'm going to include a dummy (1-byte long) SYS; :MSGS TIMES file so that DDT won't barf and :GMSGS will work. "
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"body": "The one-byte file turned out not to work. I had to write out a single page file (2000 words) with the first word being a valid sixbit value. This seemed to work fine. It may have been the case that a single page of 0s would have worked as well."
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"body": "It looks like a file with a single page (2000 words) of 0 will work. It doesn't have to have a valid sixbit value in word 0."
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"body": "I updated this PR to include a SYS; :MSGS TIMES that doesn't include any entries. It is a page of zeros. This is sufficient to prevent DDT from complaining of a BUG and :GMSGS from getting an MPV."
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"body": "This needs TAA; UUOS >, which I believe is not found."
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"body": "MSPLIT appears to default to the filename \\<HSNAME\\>;\\<HSNAME\\> MAIL"
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"body": "Created new ticket #217 regarding adding documentation for probe. This ticket should be about getting existing code installed. Also, I'm not convinced the documentation mentioned here is \"quite right\". For example, the command would be \":pb \\<uname\\> \\<jname\\>\", not :~S \\<uname\\> \\<jname\\>."
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"body": "Also, the link sys;ts pb should point to sys; ts probe.\r\n\r\nNote: this program automatically purifies itself and pdumps to sys;ts probe when run with debug/0."
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"body": "Right, it's the same file used by XXFILE. But it's good there are two different programs using it, so we have more data to reconstruct it."
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"body": "Thanks, it's better to have a separate issue.\r\n\r\nThe ~S should be replaced with the JNAME. It's a call to the FORMAT function. I suppose in the documentation, we should use either PROBE or PB."
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"body": "Good detective work.\r\n\r\nAren't all words valid SIXBIT?"
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"body": "Right. But I thought the first word had to contain something (and what is placed there on successful :MSGS is the HSNAME of a user, followed by a word of date/time info. Turns out, though, that an empty page is sufficient. The file cannot be zero length."
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"body": "Tested by :LOADing LIVE BIN assembled from BUDD; LIVE PALX and single-stepping it."
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"body": "Error:\r\n\r\n *:midas device;jobdev dp_ar5:alan;dpdev 19\r\n AR5:DPDEV 19 ALAN;\r\n NO SUCH DEVICE\r\n\r\nThe ALAN directory isn't added to the sources tape."
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"body": "Does anything use the link?"
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"body": "Ken has an interesting file: KLH; XLINKS 1. It seems to be a script to create all links in the PI distribution.\r\n\r\nEDIT: No, there are some links in the script which isn't in PI."
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"body": "Found this in SYSDOC; .CALLS 127.\r\n\r\n Demons were much used on the DM machine for various purposes.\r\n\r\nSo I suppose this was copied from DM for some reson, but wasn't used on AI or MC."
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"body": "I suppose they have all passed away. On the other hand, I don't expect \nanyone would try to acces them by mistake.\n"
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"body": "Running LIVE BIN also works, once I figured out how to operate it. Editing the grid works fine, but hitting `g` doesn't do anything. Anyway, a good test that the PDP-11 emulator works.\r\n\r\nThanks @philbudne"
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"body": "It also needs the missing file TAA; INP >."
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"body": "Could use ADMIN or BUILD.\r\n\r\nOr we could use EJS, a legendary ITS hacker!"
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"body": "A simulation under a simulation under a simulation!\r\nOdd that it doesn't \"run\".... Where can I see my old home (BUDD) dir?\r\n"
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"body": "Modest, aren't we? ;-)\r\n\r\nOr how about DB, since that implies the DistriBution ITS?"
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"body": "Perfect!\n\n-- Eric\n\n\n> On Dec 12, 2016, at 08:52, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> Modest, aren't we? ;-)\n> \n> Or how about DB, since that implies the DistriBution ITS?\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you commented.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.\n> \n"
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"body": "> Where can I see my old home (BUDD) dir?\r\n\r\nWe only add files on a case-by-case bases as needed to build or document programs, as there may be privacy concerns otherwise.\r\n\r\nSince you kinda requested them, here are your files:\r\nhttps://github.com/PDP-10/its/tree/user/budd"
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"body": "Yeah. I did that because I didn't know what it did. I thought it was a means of analyzing a .LOSE, but then I had my doubts. It's probably going to require that we study the source more. "
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"body": "Yes. I have done a few of them. I'd like to pick the \"most important\" onces first. Are there any you are missing in particular?"
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"body": "AUTO-S and DIRED are the only ones I'm really missing now."
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"body": "I've looked at the code a bunch and don't really understand what it does and how it works. @larsbrinkhoff, if you have a chance, can you look at it?"
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"body": "Don't know where EENV :EJ comes from. Missing source?"
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"body": "Didn't find any in RMS's directories. What would a filename be for an old-format archive? Same pattern: AR? XXXXX? Or are they recognizable by name?"
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"body": "I looked at it too, but I'm at a LOSS."
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"body": "Must be. Can't find it either. From looking at EENV :EJ, it seems this package is to set up an emacs environment some special way with various packages loaded and settings. Not sure how important it is. Have you found any documentation on it?"
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"body": "No, I just went through the list, looking for interesting libraries. Didn't see any source code for EENV. It should have a function called \"Setup EENV\", but there was no such string in any file anywhere, except the :EJ."
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"body": "EMACS; EENV :EJ source code missing.\r\n\r\nEDIT: DCP; EENV 130 \r\nEDIT: Fixed in #668 "
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"body": ":-) When I try to run it as a normal job, it fails immediately trying to open the BOJ device. I don't understand the BOJ device -- even after having read RMS' writeup on it (SYSDOC; JOB 100). My guess is that you cannot run it as a normal job -- and I don't know how to debug a JOBDEV handler (like JOBDEV LOSS) when it is invoked \"normally\" (as a device). "
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"body": "Yup. I looked for the same."
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"body": "No, I misremembered. Maybe it was CSTACY.\r\n\r\nIt didn't have any special name. If you remove your DEVICE; OARCDV BIN, you can be sure that the old archives won't open. That's how I found out about them."
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"body": "I'd say, if no one is missing it, it's low priority."
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"body": "Just went through all of the archives in CSTACY; and didn't have any issues opening any of them (after first removing DEVICE; OARCDV BIN). So that wan't it. If you do come across an old-format archive, please let me know its location."
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"body": "I wil.\r\n\r\nAll new archives should start with SIXBIT ARC1!!. In our Unix files, that should translate to \\370r\\215\\012A. I tried to find AR?.* files without that, but didn't succeed. So maybe what I saw wasn't an old-format archive after all. I distinctly remember not being able to open an archive unti I added OARCDV. But now I'm not so sure any more."
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