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"body": "@Pul-Ess and @bictorv both have some changes to adress Y2K problems. I tried them lightly, but so far didn't make any progress."
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"body": "How can I do that now, since I've already merged."
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"body": "No, it's on MC."
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"body": "In this case, FC definitely means File Computer (file server)."
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"body": "I sometimes see references to DM being somewhat special, and doing things the other ITS systems didn't. But I wouldn't guess Chaosnet testing would be one of thsoe."
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"body": "Yes, DM had daemons, INIT, and a file system that could hide directories from prying eyes."
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"body": "It's nice if there is a record of the original location, and as a commit comment it's part of the git repository forever.\r\n\r\nI can temporarily unlock master, and rewrite the comments. Can you send me the information?"
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"body": "Actually, the tickets associated with these PRs have the archive paths..."
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"body": "Thanks, I'll look there."
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"body": "No it looks damaged on ITS too. I probably got this from AI. We should check MC and SV."
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"body": "AI, MC, and SV all appear damaged in the same way."
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"body": "I have now force-pushed to master. No files have been touched, just the commit comments."
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"body": "@eak What was this used for?"
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"body": "Here's a list of :EJ files in AI and MC, which are not in the EMACS directory:\r\nAI: CPH; CPHLIB :EJ\r\nAI: KMP; ZMENU :EJ\r\nAI: KMP; TPARSE :EJ\r\nAI: KMP; ZMOUSE :EJ\r\nAI: DPH; EINIT :EJ\r\nAI: MOON; LUNAR :EJ\r\nAI: MAXTUL; MAXTAG :EJ\r\nAI: JINX; JINXED :EJ\r\nAI: PAO; LOCREG :EJ\r\nAI: KLOTZ; QUICKR :EJ\r\nAI: KLOTZ; EMACS :EJ\r\nAI: EMACS1; SAIL :EJ\r\nAI: IMSL; IMSMAC :EJ\r\nAI: PDP11; PMACS :EJ\r\nAI: DCB; DCBMAC :EJ\r\nAI: LSB; FMODES :EJ\r\nAI: CBF; CBFLIB :EJ\r\nAI: AGRE; NEWWIN :EJ\r\nAI: SPACY; HOSTAB :EJ\r\nAI: SRA; ALICE :EJ\r\nAI: RICH; UTILS :EJ\r\nAI: DEVON; PDPTEN :EJ\r\nAI: ALAN; EINIT :EJ\r\nAI: GSB; LSTBUF :EJ\r\nMC: MOON; LUNAR :EJ\r\nMC: CBF; CBFLIB :EJ\r\nMC: DCP; WINDO4 :EJ\r\nMC: DCP; EINIT :EJ\r\nMC: DCP; PHASE :EJ\r\nMC: DCP; EENV :EJ\r\nMC: SRA; ALICE :EJ\r\nMC: ANBB; MSPLIT :EJ\r\nMC: ANBB; POSTER :EJ\r\n"
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"body": "I'm working on this. For all the packages for which I can find source, I've been able to build the FASL files -- except STRUCT/NSTRUCT (DEFSTRUCT). I'm having issues with this one. I've asked Alan Bawden about it -- it seems the file ALAN; STRUCT INITIA is damaged (in AI/MC/SV) and this file is actually needed at compile time to compile STRUCT."
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"body": "If Alan doesn't have it, we'll have to hope for that TOTS project to come through."
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"body": "I could look in a current Multics release to see if the file is there. However, the Multics pathnames I've seen in the ITS sources are not to files in the \"system\" directories, but, similar to ITS, to files in user directories (which were not included in the Multics public domain release)."
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"body": "AI: JTW; KSTEST > is a standalone test tool. It has support for testing an Interlan NI1010A ethernet interface.\r\n\r\nI'm not sure whether ITS supports the interface."
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"body": "I looked in the Multics source tree and while the defstruct.lisp looks like it was derived from ALAN; NSTRUCT >, and I see lots of virtually identical code, the preamble (which loads ALAN; STRUCT INITIA) is very different. I do see all the various dependencies that DEFSTRUCT has (sharpsign, defmacro, other_other, defstruct). I'm confused by defstruct's having a dependency on defstruct (circular), but this may be due to the fact that defstruct's current implementation uses defstruct, and you have to bootstrap from a previous version of defstruct (thus, we'd need STRUCT FASL in order to build STRUCT FASL). I'm checking with Alan Bawden on this."
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"body": "Well, I managed to build STRUCT FASL -- but I don't know if it is correct yet. When you load my compiled STRUCT FASL into LISP, it claims it is DEFSTRUCT 280. When you LISP; STRUCT FASL (binary from PI) you also get the same herald, so we may well be \"good\" here. \r\n\r\nI was unable to build STRUCT without having some FASL files (that are loaded by LSPENV INIT). I believe I can build all those FASL files too, but I need them there as a bootstrap. This isn't unprecedented. We used the binary COMPLR to build the LISP compiler and then replace it with the one built. I believe we should be able to do the same bootstrapping of STRUCT and any of its dependent libraries. "
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"body": "While I *think* I'm able to build a STRUCT FASL from NSTRUC 280, the size of the resulting FASL is a little different from that in the PI distribution (8 +959 versus 8 +993). I realized that earlier on, I had created an empty ALAN; STRUCT BOOT file (because compiling NSTRUC 280 requires this file, but I can find no such file in any of our virtual tapes). Creating the empty file allows the compilation to succeed, and, as I said, the resulting FASL loads into lisp, and seems to provide DEFSTRUCT functionality, but since I don't know what was in STRUCT BOOT and since the sizes are slightly different, it is conceivable that we haven't reconstructed the identical FASL file."
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"body": "Ahhh, it appears that ALAN; STRUCT BOOT is supposed to be a link to ALAN; NSTRUC FASL.\r\nReplacing my empty STRUCT BOOT with NSTRUC FASL doesn't make the sizes match either. Now, the compiled NSTRUC FASL is 8 +962, whereas the version in LISP; STRUCT FASL (which is a link to LIBLSP; STRUCT FASL) is 8 +993. So a little closer, but not exactly. I suspect, however, that this is all fine. When ALAN (or whoever) last built STRUCT (NSTRUC), I suspect the PREVIOUS version of STRUCT FASL was different (earlier/older). This might account for the differences."
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"body": "Doing this suddenly seems much more likely when I found out that @philbudne has a 340 display simulator for SIMH!\r\n\r\nhttp://www.ultimate.com/phil/xy/"
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"body": "Are there anything in Multics beoynd what we have in ITS?"
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"body": "Good job building STRUCT. You can certainly add some FASL files. I had to install a few :EJ files to build EMACS."
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"body": "Related:\r\n- KLDCP; - KL10 diagnostics?\r\n- MAINT; - KA10 diagnostics? Many files seem damaged."
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"body": "We would have to add emulation of the \"new nine-bit Space-War consoles\"."
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"body": "@alanmimms, how is that KL10 simulator coming along? We can send you the ITS microcode for testing."
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"body": "I have set it aside. To much work for my job right now and the worth approach I was taking didn't seem like it would be successful. Maybe in a few months I can go back to it."
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"body": "I suppose all of TEACH; LESSON * are part of this."
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"body": "TEACH; TS MACSYM - teach Macsyma? \r\nTEACH; TDUMP 2 - xfile for dumping a new TEACH; LISP \r\nTEACH; TEACH DUMP - Lisp file for dumping \r\nTEACH; TEACH MIDAS"
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"body": "It seems proper that RWK should have dibs on this. :-)"
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"body": "I imagine TS MACSYM is probably a link?\r\n\r\nLESSON * would be the content,, written by me and KMP.\r\n\r\nNo idea about TEACH MIDAS. Where would I find all this good stuff? I poked around a bit earlier but I am on my phone, so I didn't clone.\r\n\r\nMaybe I should get ITS up on this phone.. I think SIMH should work. Maybe even KLH10?\r\n\r\nCan I get it up on my watch?"
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"body": "Yes, both SIMH and KLH10 works. I suggest you run CROCK on your watch!"
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"body": "Indeed. But I doubt he'll be able to get it up on his watch! :-) @bobkerns let me know if you want to take this on or if you'd like me to."
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"body": "No, this is TEACH EMACS. This is written in TECO, not LISP."
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"body": "Whoops, forgot the README line."
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"body": "Oh, of course it should be TEACH; TS EMACS!"
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"body": "I doubt if there was anything in Multics beyond what we have in ITS. The several sources I looked at appeared to be older than what is in ITS (defstruct certainly was) -- but you could tell that the Multics version was created from the ITS version because much of it was identical."
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"body": "In #380, the following lisp libraries are added: BITS, BS, DEBUG, DRAMMP, FUNCEL, LCHNSP, LDHLP, LSETS, NILAID, PUREP, REAP, SHARAB, SHARPA, SHARPC, STRUCT, THREAD, and TTY. \r\n\r\nI haven't updated the checkboxes in the ticket description, as this PR hasn't been merged."
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"body": "Or, if we're really lucky, the missing data may be in another file."
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"body": "Good point. Most likely at the start of the next file in the dump tape."
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"body": "Source code may be in the SailDart archive.\r\n\r\n@36bit Do you know the legal status of the SailDart content?"
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"body": "SailDart may be another source of file replacements. Did a quick search for dprint, but didn't find anything obvious.\r\n\r\nhttp://www.saildart.org/[MAC,LSP]/"
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"body": "I also checked in the Multics lisp library and didn't find it."
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"body": "I noticed that the next file in the directory where DPRINT 142 lives (according to DIR.LIST) is a link, and the file after that appears undamaged. And the file after that (DZ11.6) is damaged, and while there is some lisp code at the head of that file (before the ;-*- Lisp line, it doesn't appear to be the \"correct\" code for the missing part (at the bottom) of DPRINT 142. "
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"body": "Also uses MLSUB."
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"body": "I take it that AI; DEVON; COMMON LISP isn't the right version you need for MATH; COMMON >?"
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"body": "@eswenson1 I'd like to see which functions or macros KERMIT is missing from COMMON. How do I do that?\r\n\r\nIf I try to compile KERMIT, I just get\r\n\r\n ;BKPT LISP-ERROR\r\n\r\nand if I try to load it into the interpreter, I get\r\n\r\n GC CALLED FROM ALLOC - LOSE, LISP IS DEAD\r\n"
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"body": "When you get the error trying to compile, look in the KERMIT _UNFA_ file and you will see details of the error. You can also type (BAKTRACE) to see a stack trace. You can also load DEBUG FASL and then debug."
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"body": "That FN2 was \\_UNFA\\_."
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"body": "This may help you: start up complr and then type ^G. Then do a (load '((liblsp) debug). Then, enable debugging by issuing (debug t). Then, get back into the complr loop with (maklap). Now, enter your command line, e.g. math;kermit. You'll get to your breakpoint. Now, you can enter the debugger with (debug). You should be able to walk up and down the stack and print stuff out with \"S\" or \"P\". See \"?\" for help within DEBUG."
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"body": "I assume you've already found that the two DEFVARs that use #\\\\# cause failures. And the missing definition of CONCATENATE (Common Lisp) causes STRING-APPEND to fail to compile. Right?"
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"body": "No, not those two yet. My lars/kermit branch has a COMMON 12 file with the definitions I added so far."
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"body": "Looks like #\\\\PAGE is not defined by MacLisp either. "
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"body": "Looks like it should be easy to extend the /#-SYMBOLIC-CHARACTERS-TABLE."
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"body": "But probably shoudn’t do it by modifying SHARPM, but rather doing it in COMMON, since those may not have been part of MacLISP/\n\n> On Dec 23, 2016, at 14:19, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\n> \n> Looks like it should be easy to extend the /#-SYMBOLIC-CHARACTERS-TABLE.\n> \n> —\n> You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n> Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/381#issuecomment-269051660>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA0-Y_MP2HjvNcou3DpAsStB7ufG5PdKks5rLEjvgaJpZM4LVCH1>.\n> \n\n"
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"body": "Hmm.... I did a (PUSH '((PAGE . 14) /#-SYMBOLIC-CHARACTERS-TABLE) and although that variable now has a definition for #\\PAGE, it doesn't work. It may well be that you *HAVE* to update SHARPM and recompile. "
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"body": "I've only had luck adding #\\PAGE by updating SHARPM. I'll submit a PR for building SHARPM, since it currently isn't built. In case you want it beforehand, you cannot build it simply by running complr on the source. You have to first (load '((lisp) subloa lsp) into the compiler, and then compile. Otherwise, when you load (into a new lisp) the new SHARPM, you get an undefined function error on DEF-OR-AUTOLOADABLE (which is defined by SUBLOA)."
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"body": "PR #324 updates the build to build SHARPM FASL from source. So if you want to update SHARPM to add the other #\\ macros, you could. "
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"body": "Right, adding # doesn't work. Maybe because it's only one char, or because it's not alphanumeric. I'm looking at SHARPM to see what it does."
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"body": "Right, it's much like EMACS. I had it dumped from a few pre-built :EJ files, which are later rebuilt. But I should dump a new EMACS from the rebuilt files."
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"body": "Almost there, it's mostly just the Lisp stuff left. Apparently, it's hard to do Lisp dumps from an xfile.\r\n\r\nI think calling all the xfiles from one big ALL XFILE will speed up the build. As it is now, we spend much of the build time in the `type` procedure, waiting for ITS to echo characters back."
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"body": "Just to clarify, you are not proposing to install files like sysbin;ttloc data and channa; logout times, right? These files are already managed by the TTYLOC program and the PFT and already exist in the DB system. I assume you are just pointing out that NAMDRG also uses these files?"
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"body": "Also, I'm a bit confused by this one. I don't see it installed in the PI distribution and the updating of LOGOUT TIMES is already done by PFT. Do you know how this is supposed to be activated? Via a link in the CHANNA directory (so that it is started by TARAKA)? Do you know whether this can run simulatenously with PFT?"
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"body": "Right, I just quickly browsed through the source file, and saw that these files were involved. I didn't check which are also used by other programs.\r\n\r\nI don't see it installed anywhere either.\r\n\r\nAh, the answer is in SYSDOC; ITS OBUGS0:\r\n\r\n> From: @cstacy \r\n> Date: 24 September 1982\r\n> Subject: ai namedragon\r\n>\r\n> There being no TV-11 anymore, I retired the name dragon.\r\n\r\nSo this would depend on #279 to have any use."
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"body": "This is interesting: \r\nhttp://www.kinephanos.ca/2015/space-odyssey-the-long-journey-of-spacewar-from-mit-to-computer-labs-around-the-world/"
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"body": "Doesn't look like this emulator only emulates a type 30 but not 340 display. The PDP-6 handbook actually describes the 346 display, I wonder how different to the 340 it is...\r\nI hope this will run on my emulator or FPGA some day :)"
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"body": "P. David Lebling:\r\n> Mazewars originated at the MIT Dynamic Modelling Group. It was written by Greg Thompson and myself. It was inspired by a program from NASA Ames Research Center where you (by yourself) wandered around in a 3-d maze.\r\n> \r\n> The program ran with up to eight users on IMLAC PDS-1 computers (a PDP-9 sort of frob with a parasitic display processor) and a server on the MIT-DM machine for each user. The servers watched a shared page in the ITS memory and dumped moves into it.\r\n> \r\n> Maze (as we called it) was an instant hit. Without Maze there would have been no Zork and no Infocom, because aside from myself, all the authors of Zork were attracted to DM by Maze. In the evenings, most of the Imlacs would be taken up by mazers. The best (who I see on your CC: list) was Ken Harrenstein, who was no fun to play with because you could never beat him. He was much faster than the program, in fact, and I think he's the one who finally improved the transmission algorithm to merely send changes in state rather than reproduce the whole state.\r\n> \r\n> There also were (unfriendly) robots, to make the game more interesting if there were only one or two player. They were pretty stupid, although I did try to make them adjust their ability level based on how you were doing against them (if only Ken had done that...)"
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"body": "BTM1; CHASE FASL has no source file. #391"
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"body": "COMMON; MAZE DOC has source code for the Imlac PDS-1 side of the MAZE game. But the DM PDP-10 code is missing, both binary and source. #236\r\n\r\nEDIT: MAZE server code found."
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"body": "Lebling:\r\n> After sending off my message, I got curiouser, and dug up my listings. They are dated April, 1974. I also found a note in the comments that credits Steve Colley of Cal Tech and Howard Palmer of Stanford with the original idea, including the single-player mouse-in-a-maze and \"crude multiple players\" (to Colley).\r\n> \r\n> Whether the Xerox version springs from Greg's and mine or independently from the Colley/Palmer version, I don't know. I didn't know them (I'm not even sure Greg knew them). I suspect the Xerox version springs from ours, because except for the eyeball (we used the player's login name and a superposed arrow or beady eyespots) and the continuous view of the whole maze above, the versions are nearly identical in appearance.\r\n> \r\n> Also, Charles Frankston (of Visicalc fame) worked with Ken Harrenstein on the fast transfer protocol, according to another note in the source."
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"body": "I suppose Greg Thompson is @gregt590 here."
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"body": "Ken Harrenstien:\r\n> OK, I looked at the listings. Here are the credits shown:\r\n>\r\n> WRITTEN BY:\r\n> - STEVE COLLEY CAL TECH ORIGINAL IDEA OF MAZE, STAND-ALONE MAZE & CRUDE MULTIPLE PLAYERS\r\n> - GREG THOMPSON M.I.T. FULL MULTIPLE PLAYERS ADDITIONS\r\n> - P. D. LEBLING M.I.T. PDP-10 MESSAGE SWITCHER AND ROBOTS\r\n> - HOWARD PALMER STANFORD ORIGINAL IDEA & STAND-ALONE VERSION OF MAZE\r\n>\r\n> In addition, I and CBF (Charles Frankston) at MIT made a number of additions and fixes to the Imlac code, PDP-10 code, and maze protocol. I never met either Colley or Palmer and never saw any code that I could positively attribute to them, although if there was any it would be in the Imlac half. As far as I knew, Greg (GAT) did the bulk of the Imlac code, and Dave (PDL) did the initial PDP-10 communications half. For a real Origins story, those people should obviously be contacted.\r\n> \r\n> MAZE was developed and played in an extremely unique environment. The Dynamic Modelling group at Project MAC had a PDP-10 which ran ITS (as did the other PDP-10s on the 9th floor -- AI, ML, and later MC). Unlike the other systems, however, they used Imlac PDS-1 graphics workstations as terminals -- these were very expensive \"terminals\" however, and for their time were quite powerful. Not any Imlac would do; these had to be 8K graphics Imlacs with long vector hardware and a special wiring modification (done on-site by hardware hackers) known as the \"8K display addressing mod\".\r\n> \r\n> In order to play MAZE, a hacker had to find a free unused Imlac, and log on to MIT-DMS and then invoke a PDP-10 program (called MAZE, of course, but later on renamed to less obvious names) which then down-loaded the Imlac program into the user's machine. Each player thus had a job logged into ITS which shared a core page with each other MAZE job (the details of how this was achieved are interesting but probably irrelevant) and used this for instantaneous updates of game status. Communication with each Imlacs was over a serial I/O line (at 19.2 or 9.6Kbaud, I forget which), thus the maze protocol made use of compact character sequences to transmit updates bidirectionally.\r\n> \r\n> A third program existed which was created somewhat late in the history of MAZE. This was a \"watcher\", written in MUDDLE (whereas the PDP-10 and Imlac halves were both written in assembler), which drove an Evans and Sutherland graphics display (talk about overkill!) and served to provide interested onlookers and kibitzers with an overhead view of the entire MAZE game, including all the players. It did not participate in the game; it merely observed the shared data page. I forget who the author was but could probably remember or find out.\r\n> \r\n> Despite built-in usage restrictions and the like, a fourth program eventually appeared -- the \"Maze Guncher\" -- which was run as a batch job at various times and whose sole purpose was to detect MAZE games and corrupt the data page so that players would give up in disgust. This counter-hack was only successful against the unwashed majority of randoms who had heard about this neat hack and had somehow found a friend with a key that opened DMCG's 2nd floor door; it was programmed to pass over those of the inner circle, who in any case knew of its existence and knew the spells to sweep it away.\r\n> \r\n> MAZE playing eventually trickled off partly due to persecution of this sort (anything becomes boring with time, and when only a few people are allowed access, there aren't any replacements when the boredom sets in), but also largely because the Imlacs kept breaking down and it became difficult to find enough of them to mount a decent contest. Two players is just practice; three becomes interesting; and four or more is ideal. Anyway, eventually all of the Imlacs, as well as the E&S, died off; and\r\nMIT-DMS itself passed away.\r\n> \r\n> Henry is probably right that during its heyday I was the most dangerous MAZE player. I adopted the nom de guerre of \"Coeurl\" from A.E. Van Vogt's \"Voyage of the Space Beagle\" -- what better, in a glowing maze of rats, than to be a phosphorus-eating cat? CBF was the only other serious threat. One of our favorite tricks was to espy a maze game in progress on MIT-DMS late at night while working, and sneak down to the 2nd floor and quietly slip behind an unoccupied Imlac (the more isolated the better -- some were in hidden offices) and suddenly burst into the game-in-progress, running up incredible kill ratios as the novice rats scattered in panic and blundered into the walls.\r\n> \r\n> I just remembered another interesting sidelight. We did some experiments with cross-network playing; Harry Chesley (HRC) while at Purdue had a couple of Imlacs that, once modified, could run the Imlac\r\nhalf of MAZE. By logging into MIT-DMS they could then join a MAZE game while at Purdue. However, this generally didn't work out too well since the network delays tended to cause problems; timing was\r\nextremely crucial (shots had a 2 second timeout) and the better the players were, the less acceptable became the bursty nature of the \"action\".\r\n> \r\n> The version of MAZE at Xerox PARC was, as far as I know, directly derived from experience at MIT-DMS; the few times I tried it, it was not as interesting because it seemed much slower. Imlacs were vector graphic displays and the keyboard was read as a large bank of switches, which allowed near-instantaneous display switching and a user interface which let you keep keys pressed down for continuous movement. By contrast, the Xerox Alto version had to update a raster display and keys had to be pressed one at a time... the speed difference was quite disappointing and the adrenaline just wasn't there. There were probably also some problems introduced by fully distributing it over a network connection rather than having a central authoritative location for game status. However, I don't have enough experience with it to comment further.\r\n"
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"body": "Yep, I am gregt590 on Github and elsewhere.\n\nWhile I didn’t do a lot of programming on ITS and the PDP-10 at Project MAC back in the 70s, \nmostly working on the Imlacs and Maze Wars at the time, I did do some and was a user \nof the PDP-1, 5, 6, 11, and 10s then, so I went ahead and joined the PDP-10 group.\n\n- Greg\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\nGreg Thompson, MIT class of ‘78\nMIT Education Council member <https://stargate.mit.edu/ectrackweb/home.mit> ID# 103065\ni-GATE Venture Advisor <http://www.igateihub.org/about/>\nThompson Multimedia Engineering <http://www.tmmeng.com/>\nLivermore, CA 94550\nMobile phone: +1-925-321-6146\nHome phone: +1-925-447-2701\nPersonal e-mail: gregt@alum.mit.edu <mailto:gregt@alum.mit.edu>\ni-GATE e-mail: greg.thompson@igateihub.org <mailto:greg.thompson@igateihub.org>\nLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/grthomps <http://www.linkedin.com/in/grthomps>\n\n\nFollowing up on:\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\nI suppose Greg Thompson is @gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590> here.\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269858875>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUttqiBpvYgHqyRVFEDRZPQ6ULIAsAeks5rNiwtgaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n"
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"body": "Lars:\n\nFrom memory I may have a partial old listing of the PDP-10 message router side, but the best persons to contact might be Jack Haverty, Dave Lebling and others, some of whom were at Oracle in the 1990s that resurrected the Maze game for Oracle’s SQL*Net Interop demo in 1992. They developed the ITS PDP-10 code at the Project MAC Dynamic Modeling System lab. I learned after the Electronics Arts patent case in 2000, they had the more complete listings which they referred to 1992 when they built the SQL*Net demo (as I illustrated in my November 7, 2004 presentation at the Computer History Museum available online).\n\nIt will likely take some searching through old archives to see if I can find my further references.\n\n- Greg\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com> wrote:\nWelcome to the group, @gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590>!\n\nSome of us are trying to preserve, restore, and enhance ITS. I came across the MAZE game and even found source code for the Imlac side. But the ITS side seems to be missing, along with much else from the DynaMod machine. Do you happen to have any old backups lying around which we can use to fill the gaps?\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269859281>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtthuFf1NgAzpb4WZkGX8tEiSJEhx7ks5rNi-igaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n"
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"body": "\nHere are a couple MIT DMS files with pointers from that time frame:\n\n\n\nI also found a pointer to Jack Haverty at:\nhttp://www.ithistory.org/honor-roll/mr-jack-haverty <http://www.ithistory.org/honor-roll/mr-jack-haverty>\n\nand Dave Lebling (also famous for Infocom and Zork) at:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lebling <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lebling>\nhttps://www.infocom-if.org/authors/lebling.html <https://www.infocom-if.org/authors/lebling.html>\nhttp://web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Fall2000/infocom/infocom-paper.pdf <http://web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Fall2000/infocom/infocom-paper.pdf>\n\nDave’s comments on Maze Wars:\nhttp://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/stories/lebling.html <http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/stories/lebling.html>\n\nFurther pointers to Maze Wars at:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War>\nhttp://www.digibarn.com/collections/games/xerox-maze-war/index.html <http://www.digibarn.com/collections/games/xerox-maze-war/index.html>\n\nEnjoy,\nGreg\n\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 2:52 AM, Greg Thompson <gregt1657@gmail.com> wrote:\n\nLars:\n\nFrom memory I may have a partial old listing of the PDP-10 message router side, but the best persons to contact might be Jack Haverty, Dave Lebling and others, some of whom were at Oracle in the 1990s that resurrected the Maze game for Oracle’s SQL*Net Interop demo in 1992. They developed the ITS PDP-10 code at the Project MAC Dynamic Modeling System lab. I learned after the Electronics Arts patent case in 2000, they had the more complete listings which they referred to 1992 when they built the SQL*Net demo (as I illustrated in my November 7, 2004 presentation at the Computer History Museum available online).\n\nIt will likely take some searching through old archives to see if I can find my further references.\n\n- Greg\n\nOn Dec 31, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com <mailto:notifications@github.com>> wrote:\nWelcome to the group, @gregt590 <https://github.com/gregt590>!\n\nSome of us are trying to preserve, restore, and enhance ITS. I came across the MAZE game and even found source code for the Imlac side. But the ITS side seems to be missing, along with much else from the DynaMod machine. Do you happen to have any old backups lying around which we can use to fill the gaps?\n\n—\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/236#issuecomment-269859281>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADUtthuFf1NgAzpb4WZkGX8tEiSJEhx7ks5rNi-igaJpZM4LKT50>.\n\n\n\n\n (MIT-DMS) MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY\n LABORATORY FOR COMPUTER SCIENCE\n DYNAMIC MODELING SYSTEM\n\n (FUNCTION)\n\n SERVER COMPUTER: DEC-1040(KA) HOST 1/IMP 6\n\n MIT-DMS is a research facility that offers Network users access\n\n to its major programming system MDL, with well-documented and\n\n catalogued programs in the areas of computer-aided programming,\n\n message systems, and Morse-code systems.\n\n (ADDRESS)\n\n Massachusetts Institute of Technology\n Laboratory for Computer Science\n Dynamic Modeling System\n 545 Technology Square, Room 218\n Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139\n\n (PERSONNEL)\n\n MANAGER\n Albert Vezza (AV@MIT-XX) (617) 253-1450\n\n LIAISON\n Stuart W. 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For registration as a user, either send a\n message to ACCOUNTS@MIT-DMS, giving relevant information and\n justification, or establish a TELNET connection, attempt to log in,\n and a program will ask for relevant information.\n\n Anyone who intends to use MIT-DMS more than once should enter\n\n name and whereabouts in the data base of users by running the\n\n INQUIR program.\n\n MIT-DMS does not sell computer time.\n\n (SERVICE-SCHEDULE)\n\n MIT-DMS services are available to the network all the time,\n except during preventive maintenance, alternate Tuesdays\n 07:00-11:00 Eastern time. However, network users are\n discouraged during 10:00-18:00 Eastern time and whenever the\n system is heavily loaded (more than five users).\n\n TYPICAL LOAD = 5 users weekdays 10:00-18:00 Eastern time\n 2 users at other times.\n MAXIMUM NO. USERS = up to 20 combined local and network\n (depends on number of processes)\n NO. NETWORK SLOTS = 8\n\n (LOGIN)\n\n TELNET INFO:\n\n . 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Facilities for putting generally-useful,\n documented programs in a library and for sharing compiled\n code are available. MDL runs under the ITS, TENEX and\n TOPS-20 operating systems.\n\n ACCESS:\n [*]:mdl <CR>\n [mdl NN in operation.]\n [...]\n [listening-at-level 1 process 1]\n ...\n <QUIT> <ESC> (NOTE: '<QUIT>' must actually be typed\n as shown.)\n [:kill]\n\n NOTE: MDL primitives are defined in upper case,\n so most input is normally in upper case; to have\n your input translated to upper case, type:\n [*]:tctyp <SP> upper <CR>\n\n DOCUMENTATION:\n 1. The MDL Programming Language, MIT/LCS Document\n 2. The MDL Programming Environment, DMS Document SYS.11.xx\n\n 3. 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SST as currently written\n\n requires an inexpensive ($5), upward-compatible modification\n\n to a standard IMLAC.\n\n ACCESS:\n The file SST IML is accessed via IMLOAD (which see).\n\n NOTE: SST requires some special features on the IMLAC\n terminal. Consult the contact above.\n\n DOCUMENTATION:\n 1. MIT-DMS files: DSK: .INFO.; SST *\n\n (SSV)\n\n TYPE: IMLAC monitor/editor\n\n CONTACT: SSV@MIT-DMS\n Dave Lebling (PDL@MIT-DMS) (617) 253-1440\n\n DESCRIPTION: SSV is the program sometimes resident in\n MIT-DMS IMLAC terminals. It provides communication with the\n\n DEC-1040, copious local storage for characters and graphics,\n\n flexible local editing functions, and ARDS-compatible\n graphics. SSV as currently written requires an inexpensive\n\n ($5), upward-compatible modification to a standard IMLAC.\n\n ACCESS:\n The file SSV IML is accessed via IMLOAD (which see).\n\n NOTE: SSV requires some special features on the IMLAC\n terminal. Consult the contact above.\n\n DOCUMENTATION:\n 1. MIT-DMS files: DSK: .INFO.; SSV *\n\n (SURVEY)\n\n TYPE: Network utility\n\n CONTACT: SURVEY@MIT-DMS\n\n DESCRIPTION: Every 20 minutes or so SURVEY connects automatically\n to the Telnet Logger of most network server hosts, to\n determine the availability and response time of the host.\n The results are kept in an MIT-DMS file and transmitted\n daily to the Datacomputer.\n\n ACCESS:\n The SURVEY program itself is not accessed. Current\n results and long-term summaries can be retrieved by a user\n\n via the HISTORY program (which see). Remote users can\n create a TELNET connection to MIT-DMS socket 15 (dec)\n to obtain the latest data; see RFC 523 for details.\n\n DOCUMENTATION:\n 1. RFC 308, \"ARPANET host availability data\"\n 2. RFC 523, \"SURVEY is in operation again\"\n 3. RFC 530, \"A report on the SURVEY project\"\n\n (INTERESTS)\n\n 1. Automatic Morse system\n\n We are developing a system that will perform most, if not all,\n\n of the functions of a human Morse-code operator in a Morse-code\n\n radio network. The functions of such a system include:\n\n . Controlling radio transceivers in order to capture a signal\n\n in the face of interference, fading, planned frequency\n changes, etc.\n . Separating a Morse-code signal of interest from competing\n signals by \"tuning\" the reception to the ideosyncrasies of\n\n the operator and the signal.\n . Transcribing the hand-sent Morse code into a character\n stream\n . Correcting sender's errors in English text through low-level\n\n understanding via a sentence parser and English dictionary\n\n . Recognizing, understanding, and acting on Morse-code network\n\n protocol and abbreviations\n . Generating and transmitting appropriate short Morse-code\n responses.\n\n (REFERENCES)\n\n Nearly all documentation is generated online locally. Formatted\n\n DMS Documents are primarily offline but in some instances are\n\n available online in MIT-DMS files. For a general introduction\n\n to MIT-DMS, see:\n\n . \"A Novice's Introduction to the Dynamic Modeling System\",\n by S. W. Galley, DMS Document SYS.00.00\n (MIT-DMS file DSK: %SYS; 0000 MEMO)\n . \"An Introduction to ITS for the MACSYMA User\"\n by Ellen Lewis, Mathlab Memo #3\n (MIT-DMS file DSK: .INFO.; ITS INTRO)\n\n For descriptions of research projects, see:\n\n . MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Progress Report\n\n . \"Machine Recognition and Understanding of Manual Morse\"\n by Vezza et al, in \"Distributed Sensor Nets\", Proceedings\n of a Workshop held at Carnegie-Mellon University,\n December 1978, pp. 125-136.\n\n NOTE: When MIT-DMS files are specified herein as documentation\n\n for a user program, an asterisk in the file name is a wild\n card, understood only by FIND (which see).\n\n (ORDER-INFORMATION)\n\n Documents may be ordered from:\n Janet Schoof (JAN@MIT-DMS) (617) 253-1458\n"
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"body": "@livingcomputermuseum I understand you made a Imlac emulator. Would this be of interest to you?"
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"body": "I wonder if klh has it (or if it was just on AI or ML under an assumed name). There was a bit of an ongoing thing between DM management and the Mazers (of whom Ken was the most proficient), because all of the Imlacs generally were down the morning after a game--mostly cards that were loosened because the machines would get kicked in the heat of battle. We often had a daemon running to hunt down the maze program on the 10 and trash the shared memory, thus crashing the game, so the pdp-10 side mutated a bit over time.\n -ta\n\n________________________________\nFrom: Lars Brinkhoff <notifications@github.com>\nSent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:10:18 AM\nTo: PDP-10/its\nCc: Timothy Anderson; Mention\nSubject: Re: [PDP-10/its] Source code missing (#61)\n\n\nCOMMON; MAZE DOC has PDP-9 source code for the Imlac PDS-1 side of the MAZE game. But the DM PDP-10 code is missing, both binary and source.\n\n-\nYou are receiving this because you were mentioned.\nReply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<https://github.com/PDP-10/its/issues/61#issuecomment-269858522>, or mute the thread<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABnTXZ0q454p4Ft3U8vz44qVF_uzpyEIks5rNioKgaJpZM4LBDLt>.\n"
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"body": "@aap When I look at https://github.com/simh/simh/tree/master/display, it seems to support both type 30 and 340, and more."
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"body": "Thanks @taa01776, I sent him an email. Also, Greg Thompson joined the group, and is checking his archives. See #236."
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"body": "@gregt590 thank you for the information!\r\n\r\nI found a copy of SSV at http://www.ubanproductions.com/imlac_sw.html"
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